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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:22 am to Breesus
When did he yell at Drew?
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:24 am to BBATiger
Everytime he took a big hit he was chest bumping ready to fight people during the games. Not hard to believe he also did it in the locker room.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 10:26 am
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:28 am to Breesus
I like Graham. Don't feel like tearing him apart, although I'm sure there is some validity to the locker room stuff. Saints made the right move. Like someone said look the tape. He alligator armed passes.
Still wish him the best.
Still wish him the best.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:31 am to bigcobra
Brees and Strief both made mid-season comments about how the team needed to learn how to be more "professional." And it was clear that they meant off the field.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:35 am to eightynine
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When did he yell at Drew?
I can remember a few times. He missed a route or a pass and when Brees went to talk to him prehuddle he got in his face.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:37 am to Akit1
didnt read the whole thread but with the cleaning of house there had to be a lot more behind the scenes.
Remember the 09 team? It was chock full of saavy veterans with leadership qualities. Each year a team will assume some sort of personality as to the composite personalities and talents. My supposition is that they stepped back, looked at the team as a whole, and said this ain't the championship combination. It's a fine line between the guys that want to get a ring more than anything versus the guys performing towards the next contract.
Remember the 09 team? It was chock full of saavy veterans with leadership qualities. Each year a team will assume some sort of personality as to the composite personalities and talents. My supposition is that they stepped back, looked at the team as a whole, and said this ain't the championship combination. It's a fine line between the guys that want to get a ring more than anything versus the guys performing towards the next contract.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:38 am to Fontainebleau Dr.
We all saw last year something was wrong and not just from a talent standpoint.
What the Saints are doing is not just about the cap so anything is possible as to rumors about the locker room.
Unless someone from the locker room writes a tell all book rumors will be all that we have.
Going to be the most exciting draft and camp in the CSP era I think
What the Saints are doing is not just about the cap so anything is possible as to rumors about the locker room.
Unless someone from the locker room writes a tell all book rumors will be all that we have.
Going to be the most exciting draft and camp in the CSP era I think
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:42 am to dcrews
quote:
"cursing out teammates, throwing shite", and confrontational "chest bumping for fights".
#lockeroomgangsta
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:59 am to Laaz2750
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Just playing devils advocate here, but the story we heard about the trade was that Jimmy wasn't offered until Seattle specifically asked if he was off the table, and Loomis said no. If he HAD TO GO, then wouldn't his name have been the first name out of Loomis' mouth?
yeah this narrative was much stronger before we found out that we approached SEA for unger, and we initially offered cooks/stills
the narrative does not fit anymore once we find that out
Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:59 am to eightynine
Week 1
Posted on 3/15/15 at 11:01 am to Breesus
Brees would try and talk to him and if it was anything above monotonous Jimmy would give him the business and a couple of times ignore him and walk off
Posted on 3/15/15 at 11:06 am to blueslover
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My supposition is that they stepped back, looked at the team as a whole, and said this ain't the championship combination. It's a fine line between the guys that want to get a ring more than anything versus the guys performing towards the next contract.
it's much more likely the simpler explanation is what occurred (and it works with the actual events much moreso)
we were in cap trouble, and had to cut/trade people to solve that issue
our interior OL was in shambles and our front office needed an immediate starter at center to win now, so we had to overpay for that center
i mean we cut 2 super leaders (lofton, pierre), so that doesn't jive with your narrative at all
jimmy graham was already on the "next contract" and it was only a year old, so that doesn't work
Posted on 3/15/15 at 11:10 am to bonethug0108
Interesting video of Jimmy Graham's pre-game spat with Seattle players: LINK
This kind of on-the-field aggressiveness is normally welcomed & cheered on by us fans when it's "our players vs their players", but it would not take a huge leap of imagination to see that he might be just as aggressive off-the-field with a teammate/coach who he has a problem with.
Apparently, aggressiveness is his life motto (From eightynine's LINK earlier in this thread)
Jimmy's new teammate, DE Michael Bennett, on Graham's "disrespectful" pre-game combativeness: LINK
This kind of on-the-field aggressiveness is normally welcomed & cheered on by us fans when it's "our players vs their players", but it would not take a huge leap of imagination to see that he might be just as aggressive off-the-field with a teammate/coach who he has a problem with.
Apparently, aggressiveness is his life motto (From eightynine's LINK earlier in this thread)
quote:
We play a contact sport and it’s aggressive, and you have to be aggressive in everything you do.
Jimmy's new teammate, DE Michael Bennett, on Graham's "disrespectful" pre-game combativeness: LINK
Posted on 3/15/15 at 11:14 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't think they had any issues.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 11:19 am to eightynine
Yes they did. Drew spoke out on the issue of wr vs te during that whole flap publicly(bad move).
And ever since his new contract it hasn't seemed the same for those two looking just at the on field interaction.
And ever since his new contract it hasn't seemed the same for those two looking just at the on field interaction.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 11:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Except your narrative about clearing cap doesn't jive with the Graham or Stills trades as they both LOST us cap.
And Payton directly said that leadership was an issue, as have a few players. Still you don't just keep overpaid guys to be leaders (Lofton) especially when that leadership was ineffective last year.
The PT move was almost all football related. We had a plan to resign Ingram and one of Bush or Spiller from the beginning, and still having Robinson that would mean PT would be an old 4th string back. I still would have liked to keep him though.
And Payton directly said that leadership was an issue, as have a few players. Still you don't just keep overpaid guys to be leaders (Lofton) especially when that leadership was ineffective last year.
The PT move was almost all football related. We had a plan to resign Ingram and one of Bush or Spiller from the beginning, and still having Robinson that would mean PT would be an old 4th string back. I still would have liked to keep him though.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 3/15/15 at 11:27 am to eightynine
AKA people who don't know Brees is SUPER pc in the media.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 11:28 am to WhoGeaux
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Alleged Graham Locker-room Tidbit
Maybe it was a strategic negotiating move. Loomis knew Seattle wanted graham by Seattle offering up harvin for him last offseason. They may have used stills for unger as bait for Seattle to say "we really want graham". Then the leverage swings in favor of the saints.
The saints wouldn't have had much leverage by bringing up Graham initially.
Sounds familiar.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 11:42 am to LSUFreek
interesting and probably true , I don't think he was traded because of it. I'm sure he was still pissed about the previous offseason WR/TE spat. I don't think we would have signed him if he was a locker room issue the whole time. The trade was done because SP/ML thinks it will us a better team on the field .
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