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re: The biggest problem in schools that no one is talking about
Posted on 3/4/15 at 7:30 pm to anc
Posted on 3/4/15 at 7:30 pm to anc
I mentioned this last week and was not understood. My daughter has never come close to making a B, if she is she just brings something or does bonus work to get her A. She made a 29 on her ACT, so not a dummy, but it is just asinine how easy it is to get an A
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Posted on 3/4/15 at 7:32 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Epic Cajun
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One day you may wish to read the Bible, do you read Aramaic?
The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights are much more important to me.
Might you not want to read the original documents and ascertain for yourself the intent of the authors?
The Bible?
You asked for a reason, I gave one, you refuse to accept.
Good day sir, enjoy your ignorance.
My point obviously went over your head. The Bill of Rights and Constitution have both been translated into print (by people who understand both print and cursive), therefore you can read these documents without having to read cursive. Do you think there is some sort of conspiracy to change the meaning and/or words of these documents to fool future generations? This isn't "National Treasure" or some wack job movie, this is real life, that shite wouldn't fly.
I used the Bible as an example (with no religious connotation) because it has been translated to over 500 languages.
ETA: in regards to my ignorance, I know how to write in cursive and read in cursive, if you read the entire thread you'd see that. I just think that it's out dated and useless, like much of the other things that we learn as children. I've learned calculus, trigonometry, and algebra II, but I'll never use those in my life either.
I could see cursive as an elective of some sort, but it shouldn't be required.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 3/4/15 at 7:33 pm to islandtiger
Question 1 What is the root cause (s) of your staff"s inability to write effectively?
a) they were taught by people who didn't know how to write themselves
b) they were taught by people too lazy to properly grade written homework and test assignments
c) all of the above
Students cannot write because most assignments and tests require very little actual writing and composition. It's very time consuming to grade papers and tests where students write sentences and paragraphs. Multiple choice and other objective type tests are easier to grade and that's what most teachers assign. Not writing out answers to questions on a regular basis negatively impacts a student's ability to reason and reach conclusions. So not only can they not write, they can't think. It's a shame really.
PS I make this criticism as a former high school teacher and junior college math professor. Oh and don't get me started on online assignments and testing
a) they were taught by people who didn't know how to write themselves
b) they were taught by people too lazy to properly grade written homework and test assignments
c) all of the above
Students cannot write because most assignments and tests require very little actual writing and composition. It's very time consuming to grade papers and tests where students write sentences and paragraphs. Multiple choice and other objective type tests are easier to grade and that's what most teachers assign. Not writing out answers to questions on a regular basis negatively impacts a student's ability to reason and reach conclusions. So not only can they not write, they can't think. It's a shame really.
PS I make this criticism as a former high school teacher and junior college math professor. Oh and don't get me started on online assignments and testing
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:02 pm to anc
Is this the thread where we bitch and complain about the teachers where in reality it is more of the parents problem?
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:07 pm to lsualum01
I'm surprised by the number of insecure tards in this thread that can't read or write in cursive.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:09 pm to anc
My niece scored like a 24 in 7th grade (I think it's the Duke program where they let middle school kids take it).
I think teaching was a decent profession 30-40 years ago when there were limited professional opportunities for females, but now a lot of teachers are the dumb sluts who couldn't hack it in other majors (not all of them, but I would venture to say that the average IQ of teachers has dropped 20 points over the last 30-40 years).
I think teaching was a decent profession 30-40 years ago when there were limited professional opportunities for females, but now a lot of teachers are the dumb sluts who couldn't hack it in other majors (not all of them, but I would venture to say that the average IQ of teachers has dropped 20 points over the last 30-40 years).
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:16 pm to anc
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:25 pm to Choupique19
A 17 for a 10th grader taking it for the first time is right for an average student.
What grade is he in? The thing to look at are English and reading. The math either you know or you don't. The science is damn near all strategy. He might nit of had yet. If he's s senior...... Yikes.
What grade is he in? The thing to look at are English and reading. The math either you know or you don't. The science is damn near all strategy. He might nit of had yet. If he's s senior...... Yikes.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:28 pm to hendersonshands
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This isn't just a kids of today thing. Teachers have always given bonus points for bullshite.
I don't know what school you went to, but that definitely didn't happen at my elementary or high school. If you didn't do well on tests, your grades reflected that. Period.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:33 pm to jac1280
quote:Calculators are one of the worst things to allow in math classes in high school. We were not permitted to use calculators until it was absolutely necessary. Scruffy knows some people who are unable to do basic calculations because they were allowed to use them in high school.
I teach Advanced Math: Pre-Calculus at a pretty good high school outside of BR. Well, our third quarter exams start Friday and there is a lot of Trigonometry on it, including a section where I am asking the students to find the exact value of angles and another section where I am asking the students to evaluate inverse trigonometric functions. Well, calculators can do this crap for them so I am not allowing calculators at all for those two sections. I told them they are more than welcome to draw a unit circle on their scratch paper once the exam starts and they could use that for the two sections. I have gotten emails from about 10 parents complaining that it's not fair of me to not let them use calculators for those two sections. Lol, oh well I guess I am an a-hole douchebag teacher who won't let them use a calculator as a crutch.
And by basic calculations, Scruffy means addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 8:37 pm to Bluefin
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The ability to read various forms of the English language is fundamental to an education.
Cursive is on its deathbed. No one teaches it anymore nor should they. It was a tool, much like the abacus, to aid in learning. That tool no longer has much function.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 9:23 pm to anc
This is very much a problem in the Baton Rouge public school system. A big percentage of the students are ushered through to graduation without actually earning it. And then they get into community colleges in the area and flunk out.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:01 pm to gaetti15
Should iI have said "soopset", lol
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:08 pm to anc
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he said the average student coming in today has no idea how to write at the level of a high school freshman.
Wow. reading skills just caught up with me. college freshmen who cannot write as well as high school freshmen used to, "back in the day".
the rest of the post is pathetic.
alas.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:25 pm to Ric Flair
You are absolutely 100% correct. Not all teachers fall in this category but many do. Especially those in elementary education. In Mississippi. In order to be certified to teach Math or Science for grades K-8, one needs only to take a Math for a teachers or Science for Teachers course (in addition to the educ curriculum) - and it is one of the easiest Math courses offered in college. It boggles the mind what passes for elementary math and science teachers...
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:28 pm to sassyLSU
Brought this thread up to my wife, who is one of the select few who takes her profession as a teacher very seriously. She pretty much completely agreed with the OP.
She spent the first 5 years of her teaching career in a Top 5 parish at the elementary level, we moved and she took a job at a Junior High School in a parish that is towards the middle of the pack in the state.
She said it is unbelievable how many 2nd chances, lowest grade dropped, participation grades and homework grades she is required to count as part of each students grade. We are simply enabling the lazy, unmotivated to be more unmotivated.
She spent the first 5 years of her teaching career in a Top 5 parish at the elementary level, we moved and she took a job at a Junior High School in a parish that is towards the middle of the pack in the state.
She said it is unbelievable how many 2nd chances, lowest grade dropped, participation grades and homework grades she is required to count as part of each students grade. We are simply enabling the lazy, unmotivated to be more unmotivated.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:29 pm to sassyLSU
Hell my daughter got in the mid 20's on the ACT and she is in 7th grade. Straight A student but she studies and does homework 3-4 hours a night. It is 5-6 hours at high school. School is hard as hell. Kids are required now to write a novel before graduation and be fully bilingual. Typical Public school A-B students get those ACT scores as seniors. There are also huge variances between public schools. I think the average grade is a B now
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:35 pm to SUB
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Do you realize that performance in a classroom and performance on a standardized test are mutually exclusive? Just because a kid makes a 30 on the ACT doesn't mean he's some genius
I don't think you know what mutually exclusive means
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:40 pm to Grim
My son goes to same school and I am praying he makes a 20 on the ACT. He hates school.
Another problem you are not talking about is how we teach to girls and have abandoned the boys by using a teacher style that is not suited to males genetically or the typical male personality. (Since 70's) Hence, most students that excel now are girls as most people in college are now female. National Honors Society is 70% girls at our school.
Another problem you are not talking about is how we teach to girls and have abandoned the boys by using a teacher style that is not suited to males genetically or the typical male personality. (Since 70's) Hence, most students that excel now are girls as most people in college are now female. National Honors Society is 70% girls at our school.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:42 pm to TutHillTiger
Both parents working has killed the educational system too. No way we could do it of my wife worked.
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