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Do modern day MLB starting pitchers over do it?
Posted on 2/25/15 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 2/25/15 at 7:17 pm
Bob Gibson, and his era pitcher never through bullpen sessions between starts.
Today guys are constantly throwing between starts, always tinkering with mechanics ect.
Some even play winter ball if they're young enough.
With the amount of injuries today it seems obvious that the modern day approach has it all wrong.
Do you agree?
Today guys are constantly throwing between starts, always tinkering with mechanics ect.
Some even play winter ball if they're young enough.
With the amount of injuries today it seems obvious that the modern day approach has it all wrong.
Do you agree?
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Posted on 2/25/15 at 7:25 pm to sleepy gnostic
The problem with modern day MLB starting pitchers is that they go full throttle, 100% effort every single pitch. Pitchers back in the day used to pace themselves. They saved their energy and spent less effort on the weaker hitters in the lineup so they could have enough in the tank by the end of the game. Of course, that's not possible today. Today, a player like Mark Belanger would be out of baseball within five years. Back in the day, every team had a player like Belanger at the bottom of their lineup along with the pitcher. It was just much easier to pitch back then.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 7:25 pm to sleepy gnostic
Bob Ginsons routinely threw 140+ pitches a game....
He still had pitching sessions during his off days
He still had pitching sessions during his off days
Posted on 2/25/15 at 8:18 pm to tduecen
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He still had pitching sessions during his off days
He says he didn't.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 8:20 pm to Bench McElroy
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The problem with modern day MLB starting pitchers is that they go full throttle, 100% effort every single pitch. Pitchers back in the day used to pace themselves. They saved their energy and spent less effort on the weaker hitters in the lineup so they could have enough in the tank by the end of the game. Of course, that's not possible today. Today, a player like Mark Belanger would be out of baseball within five years. Back in the day, every team had a player like Belanger at the bottom of their lineup along with the pitcher. It was just much easier to pitch back then.
I agree with this.
I think this is a major part of it, but still think there are way too many extra pitches thrown outside of game action.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 8:23 pm to sleepy gnostic
The problem starts when they are kids. Their arms are not developing resiliency any longer - I blame little league/high school/college coaching
Posted on 2/25/15 at 8:30 pm to theunknownknight
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The problem starts when they are kids. Their arms are not developing resiliency any longer - I blame little league/high school/college coaching
Another factor, for sure.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 8:38 pm to Bench McElroy
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Bench McElroy
nailed it
Posted on 2/25/15 at 8:39 pm to LfcSU3520
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. 
Posted on 2/25/15 at 8:58 pm to sleepy gnostic
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modern day MLB
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sleepy
Posted on 2/25/15 at 9:01 pm to CaptainPanic
You see a crazy amount of high schoolers throwing mid 90's. There are colleges who have 3 man rotations who can all throw 92+ and bullpen guys with 80 Velo
And you can blame these kids. If you can throw in the 90's, you're getting drafted.
And you can blame these kids. If you can throw in the 90's, you're getting drafted.
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 2/25/15 at 9:09 pm to Bench McElroy
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The problem with modern day MLB starting pitchers is that they go full throttle, 100% effort every single pitch. Pitchers back in the day used to pace themselves. They saved their energy and spent less effort on the weaker hitters in the lineup so they could have enough in the tank by the end of the game. Of course, that's not possible today. Today, a player like Mark Belanger would be out of baseball within five years. Back in the day, every team had a player like Belanger at the bottom of their lineup along with the pitcher. It was just much easier to pitch back then.
Yes but a below average pitcher today also makes over 10x more than the best pitcher in MLB did "back in the day" even when you adjust for inflation. Sure it sucks that they have to deal with injuries but in my opinion it is well worth it, and the players and teams obviously agree since they all agree to it.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:11 pm to GoldenBoy
hitters have become so good and so prepared that they have to be overpowered. There are guys who can go the opposite direction and have success but most of them are deep into their careers and have learned how to do it.
That's why I think Bench's answer nailed it on the head. Without pure stuff when teams are looking for draft picks, your odds of getting picked up are poor because your odds of making it once in a system are even worse.
It would be like a D2 running back who obviously runs smart and understands his position fully, but isn't fast or explosive. NFL will shy away.
This mentality leads to arms breaking earlier (if that's even the case). A lot of people misremember the past and look at outliers like Ryan and others as the norm. Guys were blowing out all over the place throughout the history of baseball.
That's why I think Bench's answer nailed it on the head. Without pure stuff when teams are looking for draft picks, your odds of getting picked up are poor because your odds of making it once in a system are even worse.
It would be like a D2 running back who obviously runs smart and understands his position fully, but isn't fast or explosive. NFL will shy away.
This mentality leads to arms breaking earlier (if that's even the case). A lot of people misremember the past and look at outliers like Ryan and others as the norm. Guys were blowing out all over the place throughout the history of baseball.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:36 pm to LfcSU3520
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It would be like a D2 running back who obviously runs smart and understands his position fully, but isn't fast or explosive. NFL will shy away.
So its unlikely we will have another Maddux or Moyer?
I agree, there are only so many spots on a roster so you need to draft on potential. 
Posted on 2/26/15 at 3:44 am to sleepy gnostic
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Do modern day MLB starting pitchers over do it?
Modern day starters are pussies... Starting every 5 days and only needing to go 6 innings for a setup man is NOT good baseball.... the complete game is a thing of the past. They are overpaid and just not as good.......
Posted on 2/26/15 at 7:05 am to dukke v
Nolan use to throw 150 pitches all the time
Randy Johnson as well. Both pitched into mid 40s
All starts when they are young.
Randy Johnson as well. Both pitched into mid 40s
All starts when they are young.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 7:07 am to sleepy gnostic
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Bob Gibson, and his era pitcher never through bullpen sessions between starts.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:46 am to barry
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You see a crazy amount of high schoolers throwing mid 90's. There are colleges who have 3 man rotations who can all throw 92+ and bullpen guys with 80 Velo
And you can blame these kids. If you can throw in the 90's, you're getting drafted.
A lot more flamethrowers today. WHy is that?
Posted on 2/26/15 at 8:52 am to Bench McElroy
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Today, a player like Mark Belanger would be out of baseball within five years. Back in the day, every team had a player like Belanger at the bottom of their lineup along with the pitcher. It was just much easier to pitch back then.
Have you seen Braves batting order? They had several Mark Belangers last year.
Posted on 2/26/15 at 10:32 am to Moustache
quote:I think it has to do with how the game is taught from Little League on up. It is easier to teach throwing hard than teaching location and changing speed. So the pool of players who practice and learn pitching gets narrowed to primarily those with good velocity.
A lot more flamethrowers today. WHy is that?
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