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Posted by Ostrich
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:08 am to
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Watching Big Dave willingly concede the featured role in the offense while he was arguably still capable of carrying the load by himself was just stunning to watch.


Robinson sacrificed a lot for the Spurs. IIRC, he didn't even have to come to SA after he spent two years in the Navy? If he never came, the Spurs probably wouldn't even be in San Antonio anymore
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:11 am to
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He's just not right physically or mentally right now though, and I don't know if he is going to come back from it


I always kind of expected Tony's eventual decline to be more abrupt than Timmy's or Manu's. Tim's game was never high impact/athletic so it's easier for him to still play at this level. Manu in his prime was just as explosive as TP, but his playmaking skill and passing ability/court vision have always been his most lethal weapons, and why he's remained effective even though athletically he's probably been on a decline since 2009/10 or so.

TP is one of those guys who we've literally run into the ground. Out of necessity, and because that was the way to make him most effective. Even before he became a better shooter/finisher around the rim, his speed was his killer attribute and Pop used it first as a changeup to shock teams out of keying on Timmy's 4-down sets, and then as the cornerstone for initiating the motion offense SA has perfected since about 2011.

The shame about TP is his best years were the "worst" of the big3 era, from about 2007-2013. He basically carried us while Manu was in and out with injuries and Timmy was in the midst of transforming his body and his game for longevity's sake. So, TP was left to put up video game numbers while his supporting cast consisted of players like a past his prime Michael Finley and washouts like Keith Bogans.

It's a shame, but I don't think Parker will ever get his universal due, even among many Spurs fans.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:14 am to
Dave was always pretty close to the tops of my list as favorite players. I mean he shined in an era with just amazing big men. Shaq, Olaj, Ewing, Malone, Barkley, but David still found a way to stand out on and off the court. Seemed like one of the more genuinely good guys of the league. And I'll tell you now AD is cut from the same mold
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Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:15 am to
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Robinson sacrificed a lot for the Spurs. IIRC, he didn't even have to come to SA after he spent two years in the Navy?


I'm not sure about the specifics (I was too young ), but yeah, he always had weird clauses in his contract because of his military service. He definitely could have leveraged his way out of SA pretty quickly, and looking back at the underachieving teams he was on, it's a testament to his loyalty to the organization that he didn't.

This franchise is likely the Memphis Spurs if Five-Oh doesn't stay in SA and convince a young free agent Timmy to do the same, tbh.
Posted by Ostrich
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:16 am to
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Memphis Spurs


Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:16 am to
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Seemed like one of the more genuinely good guys of the league.


He was my role model growing up. My friends wanted to be "like Mike," but I was a Robinson guy from jump street

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I'll tell you now AD is cut from the same mold


I've seen young blood in action, and I have to agree. Love his game and his demeanor

Y'all better throw him blank checks for the rest of his career. He's that kind of guy, I think, for NO
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:17 am to
You talk about Timmy's athleticism and I was just thinking about it earlier, I bet his vert doesn't get five inches off the ground EVER but he still manages to get it done. Shows te game is more cerebral than people give it credit for.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:17 am to
No offense to RTR, of course
Posted by Ostrich
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:18 am to
There's a reason they call him Mr. Fundamental
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:19 am to
Oh he will get paid anything he wants in this city. It just sucks he seems stuck to Monty and doesn't understand we could bring in someone even better to mentor him. That will be the crux going forward with this team. How do we make AD happy but firing Monty
Posted by TheWalrus
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:21 am to
Good point. I've said this before, but that's also why I think Harden will be effective a lot longer than Westbrook in the future.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:21 am to
Yup--that's something he's always said he realized early on. Guess he was never the pure athlete that his peers were, so he'd just outthink/outposition them.

Even now, he can get whatever shot he wants against some of the best defenders in the game. It's ridiculous.

Standing by my assertion that he's a cyborg
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:23 am to
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How do we make AD happy but firing Monty


That might be something that will depend on AD's maturity about the business of basketball. Believe it or not, Pop was not well-liked when he took over as coach of the team. The players and fans liked Bob Hill, even though Hill had proven he couldn't get the job done.

Obviously it all worked out, but only because the players like Robinson were willing to rally behind the new guy for the greater good. Way easier said than done at the professional level.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:27 am to
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I think Harden will be effective a lot longer than Westbrook in the future.


Oh I heartily agree. I've said it before: Harden to me is what Ginobili would have been if he weren't a Spur his whole career. Their similarities are uncanny, with Harden being the better athlete and Manu the better passer. Harden's game is just so crafty and effective--his athleticism helps him now, but his IQ will be more lethal as the years go by, and he doesn't have to be an overwhelming athletic force to take over a game.

Westbrook is an insane athlete, and a fierce competitor to boot, but his game is SO dependent on his athleticism, that when it leaves him, it will be quite glaring. His shot selection is still putrid, and his penchant for using his athleticism over running systematic plays is stunting his development and will limit his effectiveness as a point man down the road, IMO.
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:31 am to
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HOU coming for the #2 spot.


And get rewarded with playing San Antonio or the Thunder. Y'all can have it
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:34 am to
The 3rd seed maybe where you want to be


Eta: you guys see the FSU vs tU? Holy shite
This post was edited on 2/26/15 at 12:36 am
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:35 am to
Yeah winning the division would be cool, but I'd rather avoid those two teams
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:37 am to
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get rewarded with playing San Antonio


That might actually be a reward this year, tbh
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:43 am to
Yeah I don't believe that for a second
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 2/26/15 at 12:44 am to
SW Div is Sooo sick. No easy wins across the board. I mean the Pels are banged up and will still roll with anyone night in night out

We get some national publicity come Friday in MIA
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