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re: Cam Cameron On The Hot Seat?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:59 pm to Earn Your Keep
Posted on 1/23/15 at 1:59 pm to Earn Your Keep
That fact that you consider Wikipedia a source tells me just about all I need to know about your ability to argue your point.
Unless you're fricking retarded, it does.
Each of these things was a contributing factor and none of them were the sole problem for the offense. Even the OL was making the transition from a power blocking to a zone blocking scheme and struggled early in the season.
It worked for Rohan Davey, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Jordan Jefferson, Jarrett Lee, and Zach Mettenberger. So I'll need much more than your uneducated belief based on Wikipedia to convince me otherwise.
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Just because you continue to do something...does NOT mean you're getting better at it
Unless you're fricking retarded, it does.
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The youth at the receiver position was NOT the problem.
The youth at RB was NOT the problem.
The experienced OL was NOT the problem.
The QB's skill set (or lack thereof) was the problem
Each of these things was a contributing factor and none of them were the sole problem for the offense. Even the OL was making the transition from a power blocking to a zone blocking scheme and struggled early in the season.
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Giving him additional starts will not correct the problem.
It worked for Rohan Davey, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Jordan Jefferson, Jarrett Lee, and Zach Mettenberger. So I'll need much more than your uneducated belief based on Wikipedia to convince me otherwise.
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:01 pm to chilge1
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Rohan Davey, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Jordan Jefferson, Jarrett Lee, and Zach Mettenberger
One of these is not like the others. In fact, he actually regressed in ability as he gained experience.
This post was edited on 1/23/15 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:02 pm to atltiger6487
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But please, any decent OC could've done very well with NFL QB, RB, WRs, and OL on the roster in 2013.
I don't mean to insult you, because I do believe you make valid points. This simply isn't one of them.
If the light magically clicks next year for Jennings and we see 2013 reborn... Jennings, Fournette, Dural, Dupre, and Quinn all make NFL rosters and make solid contributions to their teams, are you making the same argument?
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But the true test of a great coach is what they do with lesser talent. That's where great coaches work their magic.
We are LSU. We will never be in a position to know this perspective.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:06 pm to LSUPRS
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f this is true why would a grown man stay? I call BS
What has been the life span of an LSU OC since Miles came?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:09 pm to RB10
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One of these is not like the others. In fact, he actually regressed in ability as he gained experience.
Assuming you refer to Jefferson, it's a difficult read to make. To be honest, I don't know what the hell happened to him in 2010. My best guess is that he benefitted greatly from having Brandon LaFell as a Senior in '09 and neither Tolliver nor Randle as a sophomore were ready to be THAT GUY.
I'd still put his play in '11 over what he did in '09.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:20 pm to chilge1
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I'd still put his play in '11 over what he did in '09.
He played decent in 2011 when he was splitting time with Lee. As soon as he took the starting job his play went to shite, however.
It's pure speculation, but I believe he was lazy and didn't put in the work necessary to be a good QB, at least once he became the entrenched starter.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:24 pm to chilge1
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Rohan Davey, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, Jordan Jefferson, Jarrett Lee, and Zach Mettenberger.
Rohan Davey basically took the job from Booty
Russell was a stud/freak athlete...period...Jennings is not.
Matt Flynn started one year.
Jordan Jefferson best game was his first in the bowl game. He def got worse. (same lack of skills as Jennings)
Jarrett Lee got better when he knew and was confident that JJ was out of the picture. Had a great first 8 games completing 65% of his passes and 13 to 1 TD-INT ratio
Mett had similar skills as Jamarcus Russell again Jennings doesnt not have those skills. so why give him the time if we already know he has a low ceiling...
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:30 pm to chilge1
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I would love to see you apply your One-And-Done argument to the careers of Russell, Flynn, Davey, and Mettenberger. It takes time to develop a QB.
Correct! How long should it take Miles to find and develop a quarterback. Saban/Fisher gave him a two year cushion to find and develop a QB. He did nothing with the opportunity. I know, I know, RP. Did he pin all his hopes on a guy with a known character problem? Lack of judgement?
Wonder how Urban developed three QBs with two more coming in this year as replacements. Miles forte is supposed to be recruiting. Where are the QBs?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:32 pm to TigerFan55555
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Rohan Davey basically took the job from Booty
If by took, you mean waited until Booty went to the NFL, then sure.
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Russell was a stud/freak athlete...period.
He was the same stud/freak athlete in 2004 that he was in 2006. So why was his play so much better as a redshirt junior than as a redshirt freshman?
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Jordan Jefferson best game was his first in the bowl game.
Remember what you choose to remember.
He was 5/12 for 21 yards in the 2nd half of that game.
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Jarrett Lee got better when he knew and was confident that JJ was out of the picture.
Jefferson was suspended for the season opener. It's more rational to think that he got better when he had another year of offseason training to work on his development.
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so why give him the time if we already know he has a low ceiling...
Because the guy with the higher ceiling hasn't demonstrated that he is the better option. Harris is brimming with untapped potential. But if you throw potential onto the field without first realizing it, then you get outscored 41-7.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:34 pm to RB10
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It's pure speculation, but I believe he was lazy and didn't put in the work necessary to be a good QB, at least once he became the entrenched starter.
To be honest with you, I take up arms for Jefferson more than I reasonably want to. He pissed me off to no end because I believe this as well and he just seemed so nonchalant about everything he did. If he threw a shitty pass, its because the WR altered his route, he's going to carry the team on his back... yadda yadda.
But despite that, I'd say his play going to shite had more to do with playing 2 of the 5 best passing defenses in CFB to close the season.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:38 pm to roygu
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Miles forte is supposed to be recruiting. Where are the QBs?
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The following is a list of 5* QBs to come out of either Texas or Louisiana since Vince Young (2002) and the school they signed with:
tx-Rhett Bomar, ok
la-Ryan Perriloux, lsu
tx-Matthew Stafford, uga
tx-Ryan Mallett, mich
tx-Russell Shepard, lsu
tx-Garrett Gilbert, tx
There hasn't been one since 2009.
There just haven't been a lot of good QBs coming out of our traditional QB recruiting grounds in the past 5 years or so.
Do you think it's easy to pull top QB prospects out of their home state with the ball control style offense that we run?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:41 pm to chilge1
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Even the OL was making the transition from a power blocking to a zone blocking scheme and struggled early in the season.
This is the main point. The OL showed progress but the overall offense didn't. As the season progress the offense should have been showing more variety of plays/options/players utilization, in line with the QB development (and QB development is Cam's responsibility!)
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:44 pm to chilge1
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That fact that you consider Wikipedia a source tells me just about all I need to know about your ability to argue your point.
I'll take that as your inability to answer the question. That's what I figured would happen. You spout off and can't back it up. There are a few around here still attempting to justify Jennings as QB...but like usual, they fail miserably.
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Unless you're fricking retarded (aka: chilge1), it does.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:46 pm to Earn Your Keep
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I'll take that as your inability to answer the question.
I answered the question in the second half of my post, which you intentionally ignored... so I'll take your petty name-calling as your inability to respond to my answer.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:11 pm to RB10
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One of these is not like the others. In fact, he actually regressed in ability as he gained experience.
Two. Two of these is not like the others.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 3:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Miles has staked his future on Cam and Steele. All could be on the hot seat at the end of the season.
Sounds like the same simple minded bull shite thrown around for ten years. LSU is in to Les for 20 million right now. Meaning, Les will be here for the next three to four years no matter what.
Anyway, the idea that Les is going to allow a program he has maintained at a success level never see before at LSU to fall to level that would lead to his firing is dumb bunny thinking.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:07 pm to amiznit
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Two. Two of these is not like the others.
In terms of progressing from year to year? There's only one on that list that doesn't fall in to that category.
I'm assuming you're talking about lee as the second, and you would be wrong.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:24 pm to RB10
I forgot about this thread and see it has ballooned.
There is fallacy in arguing progression of QBs that Cam Cameron did not coach while at LSU.
We should instead look at QBs that he has coached, including the ones currently playing for him at the moment.
Joe Flacco improved under his direction. Drew Brees improved under his direction it would appear. He never developed anyone at the Dolphins.
Mettenberger seemed to progress under his guidance, but he also had maybe the best offensive weapons around him in the last 20 years of college football, as it turns out.
The reason I started this thread is two-fold: (1) unless and until LSU gets a QB as talented as Shea Patterson on the roster, I am curious if LSUs offensive output will increase under Cam Camerson; and
(2) one could argue that Cameron needs superior talent to even develop a functional QB, unlike OCs for Saban, Richt, Meyer, etc. that can take marginally talented QBs and win with them and have relatively high offensive output.
To that end, I don't think anyone on here can argue with a straight face that Jennings improved in the slightest from his first start in the bowl game last year to his last start in the bowl game this year. I watched, reluctantly, both games at the camp a couple weeks ago. He looks IDENTICAL in both bowl games.
That leaves me with no confidence whatsoever that Jennings has the talent to be developed. It's just not there or Cameron has no clue how to get it out of him.
I think it is clear also that Harris is infinitely more talented. He apparently lacks work ethic and discipline. So does Jameis Winston and he lost a total of one game in college.
If LSU is not drastically improved on offense this year with a Top 3 running back in the country, a solid O-line and amazing talent at WR, then I cannot see how Cameron is not terminated or at the very least on the hot seat.
His job is to produce with what he has on the field.
There is fallacy in arguing progression of QBs that Cam Cameron did not coach while at LSU.
We should instead look at QBs that he has coached, including the ones currently playing for him at the moment.
Joe Flacco improved under his direction. Drew Brees improved under his direction it would appear. He never developed anyone at the Dolphins.
Mettenberger seemed to progress under his guidance, but he also had maybe the best offensive weapons around him in the last 20 years of college football, as it turns out.
The reason I started this thread is two-fold: (1) unless and until LSU gets a QB as talented as Shea Patterson on the roster, I am curious if LSUs offensive output will increase under Cam Camerson; and
(2) one could argue that Cameron needs superior talent to even develop a functional QB, unlike OCs for Saban, Richt, Meyer, etc. that can take marginally talented QBs and win with them and have relatively high offensive output.
To that end, I don't think anyone on here can argue with a straight face that Jennings improved in the slightest from his first start in the bowl game last year to his last start in the bowl game this year. I watched, reluctantly, both games at the camp a couple weeks ago. He looks IDENTICAL in both bowl games.
That leaves me with no confidence whatsoever that Jennings has the talent to be developed. It's just not there or Cameron has no clue how to get it out of him.
I think it is clear also that Harris is infinitely more talented. He apparently lacks work ethic and discipline. So does Jameis Winston and he lost a total of one game in college.
If LSU is not drastically improved on offense this year with a Top 3 running back in the country, a solid O-line and amazing talent at WR, then I cannot see how Cameron is not terminated or at the very least on the hot seat.
His job is to produce with what he has on the field.
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:31 pm to DeltaDoc
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Cameron needs superior talent to even develop a functional QB
Doesn't Joe Flacco quash this very argument?
Posted on 1/23/15 at 4:37 pm to chilge1
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Doesn't Joe Flacco quash this very argument?
He is a Top 10 NFL QB...with a Super Bowl win...I'd say that is pretty talented.
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