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re: New Orleans City Council Passes Smoking Ban

Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:21 am to
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:21 am to
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The solution is simple, don't go to businesses that allow smoking.
Actually, the present solution is to go outside to smoke.
Posted by boing007
Montréal Quebec Canada
Member since Jan 2015
22 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 5:26 pm to
440 thousand according to whose statistics? Do you know anything about how those numbers are arrived at? Neither does the CDC? It has been hovering around that number for the past ten years. I thought smoking rates have gone down. So how come lung cancer rates have gone up at the same time? Well, gosh darn it I just found the page with the CDC numbers. They cover 2000 to 2004: LINK /
Just went to this page that was up last year and none of the numbers have been revised. They are still showing their 2000 to 2004 made up, bogus numbers:LINK
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
9769 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 5:38 pm to
What's the big deal? The smokers can go outside on the patio/balcony and smoke.
Posted by boing007
Montréal Quebec Canada
Member since Jan 2015
22 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 5:45 pm to
Seven City Councillors at City Hall decided it. Not a very large number. Time for a tax revolt. Not just for smokers.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 8:52 pm to
Or the non-smokers can go outside and not smoke. What's the big deal?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422777 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 8:55 pm to
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60 pages of weak minded smokers melting. LOL

not true at all. the vast majority of people anti-ban are not smokers
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422777 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 8:56 pm to
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you're totally right, this crosses the final moral Rubicon and will lead to the collapse of the republic because smokers have to walk 20 feet to light up

the rubicon was already crossed
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422777 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 8:58 pm to
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And the people decide how those are abridged

i don't think you know how "rights" work

the entire point of rights is avoid tyranny of the masses
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422777 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 8:59 pm to
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You don't have the constitutional right to serve liquor in a place that allows smoking

i believe that you do

or should
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422777 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 9:00 pm to
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The smokers can go outside on the patio/balcony and smoke.

quote:

What's the big deal?

business should have the right to decide if smoking is or isn't allowed. that's the "big deal"

there were already smoke-free bars. using government to distort the market so that one side can "win" the debate is wrong
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 9:07 pm to
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ballscaster


And you've called yourself a small gov't conservative before.

You really don't understand what rights mean and how precious property rights are.

quote:

the present solution is to go outside to smoke.


If its not your business, it's not your decision to make on customers smoking inside the establishment.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71191 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 9:21 pm to
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440 thousand according to whose statistics? Do you know anything about how those numbers are arrived at? Neither does the CDC? It has been hovering around that number for the past ten years. I thought smoking rates have gone down. So how come lung cancer rates have gone up at the same time?


Dunno anything about the numbers (I know your reply was to the thread and not me). I would guess one reason, in addition to old data, is lung cancer is a lagging indicator. Think how long it takes smokers to develop cancer, and secondhand smoke takes even longer to kill people. So a drop in smoking won't yield a drop in lung cancer for decades.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422777 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 9:49 pm to
i imagine a large # of the 440k are also related to heart issues, which is also a fat person's disease
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 11:50 pm to
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Seven City Councillors at City Hall decided it. Not a very large number. Time for a tax revolt. Not just for smokers.
Outside of bitching and downvoting on message boards, not a single one of you will do a damn thing about this, and you all know it. Why? Because you all are incredibly dishonest about this issue which is, though you won't admit it, meaningless to you. There are regulations concerning what content food served can have, to whom you can serve what kinds of beverages, and even how many people are allowed in your restaurant/bar at a time. This smoking ban means no more or less to you than do the three items above, and your actions going forward will do nothing less than prove me 100% right, and I defy you all to prove me the least bit wrong.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 11:53 pm to
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You really don't understand what rights mean and how precious property rights are.
It's you. There is no ban on smoking on private property.
Posted by boing007
Montréal Quebec Canada
Member since Jan 2015
22 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:55 am to
Those seven city councillors take their orders from the World Bank, like everybody else. So loosen up and bow down to your masters!

LINK /
Posted by boing007
Montréal Quebec Canada
Member since Jan 2015
22 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 10:08 am to
This link is to British Columbia's program. They recommend Champix and Zyban and will pay for most of your treatment therapy. They don't cite a specific dollar amount.

LINK /
Posted by OleWar
Troy H. Middleton Library
Member since Mar 2008
5828 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 10:09 am to
In a sense you are right. Of all the things jacked up in the City of New Orleans, the smoking ban is meaningless compared to rampant crime, horrible schools, and lack of any economic future. Sadly, based on the demographics of the city as reflected by its representatives who will do all in their power to to steal and enrich their friends, little to nothing can be done except to move away like most of the functional have done in the past half century.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 10:11 am
Posted by boing007
Montréal Quebec Canada
Member since Jan 2015
22 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 10:11 am to
Sorry. They don't still give a dollar amount but they are willing to pay for most of it. How much does that cost to all British Columbian taxpayers each year? Or do they break even with their astronomical taxes on tobacco sales?

LINK
Posted by boing007
Montréal Quebec Canada
Member since Jan 2015
22 posts
Posted on 1/26/15 at 10:19 am to
Here is a critique of Chantix from 2012. One of British Columbia's drugs of choice to stop smoking:

LINK

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