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re: New Orleans City Council Passes Smoking Ban
Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we already have WAY too many rules regulating a person's use of his/her own private property. this is yet another one
you're totally right, this crosses the final moral Rubicon and will lead to the collapse of the republic because smokers have to walk 20 feet to light up
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:10 pm to The Dudes Rug
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60 pages of weak minded smokers melting. LOL
I've smoked a single cigar in my life and never smoked a cigarette or anything else yet I still think that smoking bans in privately owned businesses are idiotic and a huge government intrusion on private business rights.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:12 pm to EmperorGout
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Fat people don't raise the cholesterol of everyone around them when they inhale a Big Mac
They raise medical costs for everyone. Ban them, for the common good.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:21 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Congrats its 2015,and smoking disgusting. Welcome to the modern world
Do you even freedom, bro?
Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:38 pm to MFn GIMP
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Since this inconveniences me I say it's high time to ban private establishments from selling alcohol. For the common good and all.
You do realize that smoking causes like 400,000+ deaths per year? Just a tad higher than the ~88,000 caused by alcohol. Also, there are many dry counties all over the country that ban alcohol (many in conservative Bible Belt states); yet people don't rant at the horrible injustice but just choose to drive to the next county to purchase alcohol. The amount of stupid in this thread is just baffling.
This post was edited on 1/24/15 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:39 pm to Winkface
so dumb so dumb
Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:47 pm to rintintin
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I think fat people are disgusting, let's ban them too.
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Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including an estimated 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure.
When fat people kill 41,000 people just for being in their proximity you may have a point.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:50 pm to Mudge87
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Also, there are many dry counties all over the country that ban alcohol (many in conservative Bible Belt states); yet people don't rant at the horrible injustice but just choose to drive to the next county to purchase alcohol.
NOLA is supposed to be open-minded and laid back, not puritanical and statist.
I don't think the dry counties in the Bible Belt have much of a tourism industry or nightlife.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:51 pm to Mudge87
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You do realize that smoking causes like 400,000+ deaths per year? Just a tad higher than the ~88,000 caused by alcohol
So what's the cutoff number? Do we need over 100,000 deaths to ban something? 200,000?
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Also, there are many dry counties all over the country that ban alcohol (many in conservative Bible Belt states); yet people don't rant at the horrible injustice but just choose to drive to the next county to purchase alcohol.
Why not just ban alcohol everywhere then?
Posted on 1/24/15 at 11:05 pm to rintintin
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So what's the cutoff number? Do we need over 100,000 deaths to ban something? 200,000?
Neither should be banned.
But, when one substance causes nearly 5x more deaths annually than another substance, I would argue that this first substance likely warrants greater attention than the latter.
Both alcohol and tobacco have their own problems but the fact that smoking not only kills far more people, but also directly impacts the health of others who may choose not to smoke, I think, justifies greater regulation of smoking in certain contexts.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 11:12 pm to Mudge87
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When fat people kill 41,000 people just for being in their proximity you may have a point.
Ban drinking!
Posted on 1/24/15 at 11:14 pm to Mudge87
I don't get why y'all can't understand that smoke free bars already exist, voluntarily, the way it should be. There are plenty of them and if you want to go to a bar and not be around smoke then you should support them and give them your business.
Of those 40,000 deaths from secondhand smoke in that statistic you threw out, I wonder how many of them were forced to be around the smoke?
I know for me personally, I am not around smoke very much at all really. I don't like being around smoke, so I choose to go to smoke free bars when I go out. On the rare occasions that I do go to bars that allow smoking with friends, I am making a conscious decision as a consenting adult that I will probably be around smoke that night. Nobody forces me to go to that bar and be around the smoke.
The solution is simple, don't go to businesses that allow smoking. If something like 85% of Americans don't smoke, then it should be very very easy to not be around it. Plus if enough people don't give their business to places that allow smoking, eventually they will follow the market and ban smoking on their own, the way it should be.
This is not about smoking. Everyone needs to look beyond smoking. One day a vice that you enjoy will be infringed upon, and just because the government has done similar things in the past, doesn't make it right.
I do not support smoking at all. But I respect every person freedoms to do a legal activity at a place of private ownership.
Of those 40,000 deaths from secondhand smoke in that statistic you threw out, I wonder how many of them were forced to be around the smoke?
I know for me personally, I am not around smoke very much at all really. I don't like being around smoke, so I choose to go to smoke free bars when I go out. On the rare occasions that I do go to bars that allow smoking with friends, I am making a conscious decision as a consenting adult that I will probably be around smoke that night. Nobody forces me to go to that bar and be around the smoke.
The solution is simple, don't go to businesses that allow smoking. If something like 85% of Americans don't smoke, then it should be very very easy to not be around it. Plus if enough people don't give their business to places that allow smoking, eventually they will follow the market and ban smoking on their own, the way it should be.
This is not about smoking. Everyone needs to look beyond smoking. One day a vice that you enjoy will be infringed upon, and just because the government has done similar things in the past, doesn't make it right.
I do not support smoking at all. But I respect every person freedoms to do a legal activity at a place of private ownership.
This post was edited on 1/24/15 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 1/24/15 at 11:34 pm to Mudge87
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Neither should be banned.
Ok then, we agree.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:10 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
quote:You can choose to go outside to smoke if you want. Deal with it.
It really has nothing to do with smoking and everything to do with free choice.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:11 am to ksliman
quote:This. Tough shite, you nasty fricks.
It is America and non-smokers who make up approximately 80% of the Louisiana population have a right to breath smoke-free air.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:12 am to rintintin
quote:Your issue, not everybody else's.
Arggghhhh!!! Why must you people make my blood boil!
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:13 am to Lakeboy7
quote:Theure going to have to, and they're not going to do anything about it.
How about you change your behavior instead of me? Since its your behavior causing the issue.
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:16 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Intellectially dishonest. You may choose to smoke. You don't have the constitutional right to serve liquor in a place that allows smoking, nor did you the day before this ordinance was passed.
the number of people who hate giving people the freedom to choose is utterly disgusting in this thread
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:17 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:And the people decide how those are abridged, hence the smoking ban. The people decided. Deal with it.
and this isn't a debate about smokers. this is a debate about property rights
Posted on 1/25/15 at 1:19 am to rintintin
quote:I sort of agree.
I think fat people are disgusting, let's ban them too.
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