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re: Someone had to say it.. and it was Baby Bradley MLS strike looming
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 1/22/15 at 6:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
no FA in MLS's proposal
You go high, I go low. Free agency is going to be the sticking point in the negotiations.
You go high, I go low. Free agency is going to be the sticking point in the negotiations.
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Posted on 1/23/15 at 2:10 am to EastNastySwag
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no FA in MLS's proposal
this might get ugly
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:39 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Paul Tenorio ?@PaulTenorio 10m10 minutes ago
Orlando City GK Tally Hall goes in depth on MLS CBA talks. Does no free agency mean work stoppage? Bluntly: "Yes."
Posted on 1/23/15 at 5:47 pm to arkyhawk
ughhh
this isn't good at all
this isn't good at all
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:24 am to StraightCashHomey21
LINK
SI writers have been slamming Garber the last month over Lampard and now this.
SI writers have been slamming Garber the last month over Lampard and now this.
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MLS executives and investors yearn to be big time. They’re aiming to build a “league of choice” that drives the growth of a “new soccer nation” or two. They eventually expect their 19-year-old league to be mentioned in the same breath as the most storied circuits in Europe, some of which have a century-long head start.
That all sounds great to MLS players, who surely find a bit of painful irony in commissioner Don Garber’s frequent use of the phrase, “league of choice.” In their lack of choice, and on their pay stubs, most MLS players see a stark difference between their league and its counterparts abroad.
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“You can see the landscape of other professional leagues in the United States, in which free agency comes in many different forms. Soccer’s different,” said FC Dallas goalkeeper Dan Kennedy, a member of the Major League Soccer Players Union's five-man executive board. “Throughout the world, soccer has unrestricted free agency. It is there. It’s the norm. Certainly we’re working toward that. We feel like if we’re going to be a league that’s one of the best in the world, I think it makes sense to abide by those rules.”
MLS has no intention of following that path. It’s not interested in the unrestricted free agency common throughout the world, nor in the more limited versions used by other sports' leagues in North America. MLS officials firmly believe the measured growth and careful, centralized control that have carried it this far remain the keys to a prosperous future. As a result, the league and its players are at an impasse. Their collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of the month, and three formal meetings between the sides, including Tuesday’s in Washington D.C., have frustrated yet emboldened Kennedy and his colleagues.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 9:39 am
Posted on 1/26/15 at 2:51 pm to EastNastySwag
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That is one thing I have to give Landycakes credit for in the last CBA go around. They damn near struck and he basically told all the players you will ultimately kill the league if we do this and in a roundabout way told them most won't of them wont even sniff a foreign offer.
So the League will go tits up for NOT being the NASL, and doing everything they could to sustain this growth for 22 years. The league was succeeding, and doing well. It's too bad the rank-and-file guys aren't making money, and that is the one thing I agree with: the minimum should be raised, and the salary cap.
But once they get full, unfettered free agency, that's the lot. It's over. If the owners try to keep things in check they'll be charged with collusion, and if they don't, and they start paying out salaries, it's NASL again.
This is not the NFL with a $17,000,000,000 TV deal.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 2:59 pm to RedPop4
I am seeing a lot of bluster from the players. They are not going to strike. The rank and file don't have the wherewithal to strike for long. It is going to come down to increased minimum floor and a hefty cap increase.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 8:01 pm to EastNastySwag
FA will kill MLS. PERIOD.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 8:08 pm to udtiger
Oh boy
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Mike Magee ?@magee9 15m15 minutes ago
The thought of having to fight for players who bled for and built MLS to simply get paid what they're worth is embarrassing #FreeAgency
Posted on 1/26/15 at 8:10 pm to udtiger
Can someone explain why free agency will kill MLS?
Posted on 1/26/15 at 8:55 pm to cwil177
Because there is no TV revenue like the other sports and the foundation is not strong enough. Heck, it took the NFL 62 years to have free agency for players.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:02 pm to EastNastySwag
but with a cap in place, whats the financial risk to the franchises? isnt it just a question of fund allocation other than over-spending?
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:11 pm to cigsmcgee
More about preserving parity of the league.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:12 pm to EastNastySwag
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Because there is no TV revenue like the other sports and the foundation is not strong enough. Heck, it took the NFL 62 years to have free agency for players.
I don't understand how this would destroy MLS with the addition of free agency. I'm not worried about another NASL scenario because there's a salary cap.
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More about preserving parity of the league.
I feel like increasing the cap will affect the parity more than free agency will.
This post was edited on 1/26/15 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:22 pm to cwil177
I am not so sure about that. The cap increase will mostly accommodate the minimum floor.
Posted on 1/26/15 at 9:22 pm to EastNastySwag
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Heck, it took the NFL 62 years to have free agency for players.
and both the history of MLB and NFL free agency is pretty messy and at the root of it all is greedy, status-quo owners who would never have relinquished control if they werent forced into it.
the parity of the league is secure in the salary cap. if MLS is worried about losing players to other leagues, so be it. The ones that are good will leave for better leagues anyway, and if others choose to make lateral moves, then it should be their right.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:39 am to cwil177
Ok here is how I look at it.
The league has outgrown its structure that gave it stability during early years. Now you have outside influences ie players who played overseas bringing those experiences to the MLS and wanting to see change.
The more ive read on it the more is makes sense why free agency will be awesome. The MLS and some owners do not want it because they will lose a lot of control. MLS wages have not grown with inflation at all. Even back in the late 90's early 2000's low level guys were making like 25k to 35k. The league min has barely gone up. These same guys could go to England and play in League One or the Championship and make 2k to 30k quid a week if work permits were not an issue.
MLS's arse backwards rules don't work with the game on a world stage. Players really have no control what team they play for once they sign a deal with the MLS and have to go through the allocation system. Which we all have seen is bullshite b/c Garber just makes up rules as he goes. But say a player goes out of contract with the MLS. Wants to test the open market. Doesn't see what he likes in other leagues and decides to come back. That player does not get to pick which club he plays for. That is complete and utter lunacy. Free agency will force the league to pay players their market value. The gap in wages in the MLS is absurd. But they created this monster by paying some players way over market value. When you have some players wages in one year being way more than some clubs entire wage bill, then your league structure has flaws.
The MLS does not want to give into free agency b/c that will open the door to let clubs operate on their own and get rid of this non-sense single entity structure we have that the league is out growing. Clubs operating on their own means players from all over can shop around and clubs can deal directly with contracts and buying and selling players. Not having the MLS do all this and the MLS is a pain in the arse to deal with.
The league has outgrown its structure that gave it stability during early years. Now you have outside influences ie players who played overseas bringing those experiences to the MLS and wanting to see change.
The more ive read on it the more is makes sense why free agency will be awesome. The MLS and some owners do not want it because they will lose a lot of control. MLS wages have not grown with inflation at all. Even back in the late 90's early 2000's low level guys were making like 25k to 35k. The league min has barely gone up. These same guys could go to England and play in League One or the Championship and make 2k to 30k quid a week if work permits were not an issue.
MLS's arse backwards rules don't work with the game on a world stage. Players really have no control what team they play for once they sign a deal with the MLS and have to go through the allocation system. Which we all have seen is bullshite b/c Garber just makes up rules as he goes. But say a player goes out of contract with the MLS. Wants to test the open market. Doesn't see what he likes in other leagues and decides to come back. That player does not get to pick which club he plays for. That is complete and utter lunacy. Free agency will force the league to pay players their market value. The gap in wages in the MLS is absurd. But they created this monster by paying some players way over market value. When you have some players wages in one year being way more than some clubs entire wage bill, then your league structure has flaws.
The MLS does not want to give into free agency b/c that will open the door to let clubs operate on their own and get rid of this non-sense single entity structure we have that the league is out growing. Clubs operating on their own means players from all over can shop around and clubs can deal directly with contracts and buying and selling players. Not having the MLS do all this and the MLS is a pain in the arse to deal with.
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 4:37 am
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:35 am to StraightCashHomey21
That is great, when TV has an established presence. You will ultimately kill all the small market clubs. Mix Diskerud wanted nothing to do with Columbus Crew, but loved that NYCFC. Watch teams like Crew, RSL, Rapids just take it in the arse if FA takes place. Once TV revenue is established, then by all means allow FA.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 11:13 am to EastNastySwag
And then there we go, the old NASL will be back if all the noted FAs go to the big markets, as they do now.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 11:15 am to EastNastySwag
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That is great, when TV has an established presence
Sorry but the MLS will never have the tv deals to compete with the world wide deals of the EPL and La Liga etc. No chance of that for a very long time b/c people abroad don't watch the MLS.
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You will ultimately kill all the small market clubs. Mix Diskerud wanted nothing to do with Columbus Crew, but loved that NYCFC
He wanted no part of the MLS for a while and as we have already seen NYCFC is above the MLS.
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Watch teams like Crew, RSL, Rapids just take it in the arse if FA takes place. Once TV revenue is established, then by all means allow FA.
Not really. It wont hurt the quality of the league b/c it give players home and abroad more options. With a salary cap still in place for a few years you can control free agency.
Say a major star from Europe who is out of contract decides he wants to play for FC Dallas or DC United. Well with the current set up he might not have that choice and the league in its "allocation" process says no I don't think so your going to Seattle.
This post was edited on 1/28/15 at 5:11 am
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