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My take on Les and the QB situ (long)

Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:25 am
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Denham Springs
Member since Oct 2003
5365 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:25 am
I wanted to put my two cents in on this whole Les Miles/QB situation.

So we got the CLM PUMPERS on the one hand saying Les works with what he has and wins a ton of damn games, you people are insufferable.

Then you have CLM HATERS on the other hand saying the dude is horrible at QB decisions and is setting us back to the 70s and we need to move on now.

I figured I would do a little list and put forth my view which is, not to spoil the surprise, somewhere in the middle.

So, the way I see it is…

Yeah, Les Miles does work with what he has.  That’s why our QB averaged passing 113y/game from the Auburn on (with an amazing high of 151 in the bowl game! Wow we aired it out).  Miles just flat out didn’t have any real faith in passing the ball, because the team just doesn’t have the horses to do it.  And we were running with authority for most of those games.  When Mett and Flynn were here, fifth year seniors, we aired it out more.  And Les has won a great number of games doing this, pulling way back on the reins if he feels it’s necessary. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THIS APPROACH. 

However, the problem that I have with this is that LSU is an ELITE program.  WE SHOULDN’T HAVE TO SETTLE FOR THIS APPROACH.  Not every year.  We have more active NFL players than any other school right now and have had more underclassmen jump and get drafted than any other school the last two years.  For ten years we have plugged and played Defensive Secondary players like they were extras in a movie. The abundance is unreal at practically every position.

Except QB????  What the hell? We have serious issues almost every damn year.  The only time we have a decent one is when we are blessed with a 5th year senior and apparently from their rookie years, All Pro Wide outs.  We either don’t develop guys or they develop extremely slowly.  Even Mett wasn’t Mett until his 5th year.  On top of that, Les is just a BAD QB talent evaluator and recruiter.

Here is your list of the illustrious QBs Les Miles has signed in 10 full recruiting seasons.

2014 Brandon Harris

2013 Hayden Rettig, Anthony Jennings

2012 Jeremy Liggins

2011 Zach Mettenberger, Stephen Rivers, Jarrard Randall

2010 Zach Lee

2009 Chris Garrett, Russell Shepard

2008 Jordan Jefferson

2007 Jarrett Lee

2006 n/a

2005 Ryan Perrilloux

Of that list (setting aside Brandon Harris as it’s so early in his career), there are only two that were/are even close to NFL QB talent, and when I mean close, I mean, can you even get invited to the Combine?  IN TEN FREAKING YEARS.  TEN YEARS of a program that supposedly is in the top 10 nationally as a program.  Only the BOLDED ones have made it on the field for more than a two game span.

So ultimately, Les does the best with what he has, but what he has being a big pile of stinking “misery” (Les’ own word) IS HIS OWN FAULT.

It’s like Les created a pit of quicksand, drove the car into it, and now I am supposed to give him a pass that the car is in quicksand.  Well Les is doing the best he can to get that out of there.

I am not a PUMPER or a HATER.  I like Miles for the most part, but the reality is that, while he does adjust and try to do the best with less than great QB play, the reality is that it is his own damn fault that it’s an issue. 

Any retard knows we are going to need a decent passing game to get back to beating Bama, winning SEC titles and getting into the Playoff.  I have no faith that Miles will be able to pull that off on a consistent basis. Once every now and then when the stars align….maybe.  But this is a real issue and problem that has only gotten worse in his tenure.   So please stop telling me to shut up, or say I don’t know what I am talking about PUMPERS.  I don’t want to hear that bull crap.

Okay.  I’m done now.  I guess I lean more to a HATER than  PUMPER on that scale.

 
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 11:29 am
Posted by Guava Jelly
Bawston
Member since Jul 2009
11651 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:26 am to
quote:

What is Les'


"Baby don't huuuurt me, don't huuuurt me no mo."
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:26 am to
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:29 am to
you should write a blog or something
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Denham Springs
Member since Oct 2003
5365 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:29 am to
Cell phone took on a mind of its own for two minutes messing with my copy and paste.
Posted by South Endzone Warrio
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
559 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:30 am to
quote:

quote:
What is Les'


"Baby don't huuuurt me, don't huuuurt me no mo."


Posted by Tigersport2014
Member since Aug 2014
824 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:32 am to
...wow , too much thinking about this s***... try to to expand your orizons .. ..

Posted by Tigersport2014
Member since Aug 2014
824 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:33 am to
..horizons ..
Posted by stephendomalley
alexandria
Member since Dec 2005
5914 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:34 am to
1 main thing I disagree with. les never trusts the passing game. In his mind there are more opportunities for mistakes when you pass.

even when we had the qb's who could pass to receivers who could catch, we did 90 per cent of passing on 3rd down. these combinations were just more efficient when they had to.

every now and then in a big game you would see the staff have a great game plan with integrated passing when you didn't have to. it showed they could do it. they just hardly ever want to.

Posted by Hermit Crab
Under the Sea
Member since Nov 2008
7168 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:36 am to
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there are only two that were/are even close to NFL QB talent


who is the second after mettenberger?
Posted by WacoTiger
Waco, Texas
Member since Nov 2003
3673 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:45 am to
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Of that list (setting aside Brandon Harris as it’s so early in his career), there are only two that were/are even close to NFL QB talent, and when I mean close, I mean, can you even get invited to the Combine? IN TEN FREAKING YEARS. TEN YEARS of a program that supposedly is in the top 10 nationally as a program. Only the BOLDED ones have made it on the field for more than a two game span.


During that same time span, how many Bama QB's made it in the NFL? Only 3 Bama QB's have even been drafted while Saban has been there. Highest was Croyle in the 3rd round, the other two were McElroy in the 7th round and McCarron in the 5th round. Only McCarron is still on an NFL roster. Isn't Bama an elite program?

Does it really matter? Bama has proven that you can win in college football with sub-par non-NFL QB's. Just sayin.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
166322 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:47 am to
quote:

I figured I would do a little list and put forth my view which is, not to spoil the surprise, somewhere in the middle.

Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
22187 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:49 am to
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CLM PUMPERS on the one hand saying Les works with what he has and wins a ton of damn games, you people are insufferable

quote:

Yeah, Les Miles does work with what he has.

quote:

you people are insufferable
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 11:56 am to
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Les is just a BAD QB talent evaluator


Well, regardless of who people think conducts the evaluations for the QBs LSU recruits, our results are probably about average to above average relative to the rest of college football. It's not really as dismal as people like to think.

It's damn hard for most schools to find a QB worth anything. Some LSU fans just look at the very few schools that have unusually sustained success with landing/developing QB and think that's the norm. It's not.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 11:57 am
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

Yeah, Les Miles does work with what he has


Really? They are all his recruits that were heavily recruited by Miles and his staff.
Posted by DamnStrong1860
The Second City
Member since Oct 2012
3001 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:06 pm to
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Once every now and then when the stars align


This kinda has to happen for anyone to win a Championship.
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

Really? They are all his recruits that were heavily recruited by Miles and his staff.



And it is a damn shame that none of them ever produce in the NFL, amirite?
Posted by sassyLSU
Lake Charles, La.
Member since May 2011
2080 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:14 pm to
1. its not on Jennings that Quinn dropped balls with the game on the line that would have kept drives alive. LSU 13-10 over Bama.
Win over Bama, whole team is energized.
Not sure about the play calling in the Miss State loss in which LSU has the ball on the 1 and does not give it to a HUGE back. Win those two, and you are playing for the SEC championship as co-champs of the SEC west, 10-2. SEC champs, again.
So, in the two close losses, it was not all on the QB. Not in my eyes.

2. Perilloux returning and playing in the national champ game vs Bama instead of JJ, maybe another national championship.

Not only that, with RP, LSU beats Bama in regular time, and Ok State gets to play LSU for the natty.

This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 12:16 pm
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

I wanted to put my two cents in on this whole Les Miles/QB situation.


Why? I mean that sincerely. At this point, and in mid January, who do you think is sitting around on pins and needles waiting for yet ANOTHER armchair coach's assessment of the QB situation at LSU?
Posted by tiger81
Brentwood, TN.
Member since Jan 2008
18823 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:46 pm to
Spot on, good points. We shouldn't have to "settle" for an average QB... we are an elite program. I think Harris could still be that guy, we'll see. But we should be able to recruit QB's nationwide.
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