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LSU Basketball Week in Review WE 1/18/15
Posted on 1/19/15 at 8:18 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 8:18 am
Record last week: (1-1)
LSU 75, Ole Miss 71
LSU 64, Texas A&M 67
Streak: Loss 1
Top performer: Jordan Mickey scored 28 points and pulled down 19 rebounds on the week, but his 13 blocks are what get him top performer of the week honors. He protected the paint in both games while showing off some skills offensively also.
Cause for Concern: After a monster week, Tim Quarterman came back down to earth this week. He made only 3 of 13 shots and had a very poor 3:5 AST:TO ratio. Against Ole Miss he was held without an assist for only the second time this year.
Top Team Stat of Week: LSU blocked 20 shots on the week, while LSU was only blocked 6 times.
Rankings and Standings: CBS RPI (48), ESPN RPI (49), BPI (44), KenPom (59)
Breaking the trend: Darcy Malone got his first and second starts of his career this past week. He played 8 minutes against Ole Miss and earned more PT with 3 offensive rebounds, no turnovers, and a point. He played a career high 21 minutes against Texas A&M and scored 4 points. He was able to contain Kourtney Roberson who seemed able to back down Mickey at ease when in the game.
Best game by a non Big5 player: Jalyn Patterson scored 13 points on 5 of 8 shooting, including 3 of 6 from three against Texas A&M. He also added 2 steals. The NBA scout sitting next to me said Patterson "plays with great pace" and said if he can consistently hit his three point shot he would be an interesting professional prospect.
LSU Opponent who made noise: Sam Houston St continued to tear through the Southland Conference. They have won 8 in a row since losing to LSU and are 5-0 in conference play after beating Southeastern and McNeese St this week. They have currently beaten 4 straight teams from Louisiana over the past 2 weeks.
Interesting Stat of the Week: Jordan Mickey had 13 blocks on the week. It brought his average up to 3.9 blocks per game and into second in the NCAA. Last season Mickey averaged 3.1 blocks per game. He is averaging 5 per game over the last 5 games.
LSU Scorers this week:
Jarell Martin 30
Jordan Mickey 28
Keith Hornsby 28
Josh Gray 23
Jalyn Patterson 13
Tim Quarterman 12
Darcy Malone 5
LSU Rebounders this week:
Jarell Martin 22
Jordan Mickey 19
Josh Gray 10
Tim Quarterman 10
Keith Hornsby 8
Darcy Malone 6
Jalyn Patterson 1
LSU Assists/TO this week:
Josh Gray 15:7
Tim Quarterman 3:5
Jarell Martin 5:6
Jalyn Patterson 2:0
Jordan Mickey 2:8
Keith Hornsby 6:3
SEC Standings:
Most Dominant SEC Win of the Week: UK 86, Missouri 37. The Wildcats dominated Missouri on Tuesday winning by 49 points in Rupp Arena. They won the rebound battle 46-27 and scored an amazing 1.39 points per possession while holding Missouri to 0.6 per possession.
Biggest SEC Upset of the Week: Auburn 71, South Carolina 68. It's tough for me to call any road game an upset in the SEC, but Auburn beating South Carolina definitely fits. Auburn went 26-33 from the free throw line and pulled off the upset over South Carolina, a team who has already beat 2 top 25 teams.
Recruiting News: In LSU's home loss to Texas A&M, Tiger fans had their first look at new transfer Craig Victor on the sideline. He looked all of 6'9" and built better to be a post defender than Jordan Mickey. Here is a picture of him during warmups:
This week in LSU Basketball:
Tuesday: LSU @ Florida 6pm ESPN
Saturday: LSU @ Vanderbilt 5pm ESPNU
***Big week for LSU as they hit the road twice in two of the most difficult places to play in the SEC. After fumbling a lead against Texas A&M, LSU needs to get one or both of these road games.
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 8:25 am to SouthOfSouth
A split is imperative this week. I know 2-0 is a pipe dream with the inconsistency this team has but just a split would be good for the long run. Esp after Saturday they really need to come out Tuesday and get off to a good start and just be there in the last few minutes to maybe steal one in Gainsville.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:14 am to SouthOfSouth
Would like to see LSU win at least one of the next two. Preferably Florida. The Tigers are going to need a couple road wins and this is a good week to knock a few down.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:19 am to Shadowlink
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Would like to see LSU win at least one of the next two. Preferably Florida. The Tigers are going to need a couple road wins and this is a good week to knock a few down.
I honestly see this team as the best road team we've had in a while. I am confident we will get one this week. I am still in disbelief that Saturday's game went down like it did. LSU played good basketball for 25-30 minutes.
I had a scout sitting next to me and he was asking me questions almost all game; When LSU was up 58-47 with 10 minutes left he looked over at me and said, "this has to be the best LSU has looked all year right?"
Funny enough I said that this was pretty typical of how we've looked all year, but that we will occasionally go on a 5 minute stretch that just kills leads and we just never seem to put teams away... Lo and behold, LSU never was able to put the game out of reach even though they really dominated the first 30 minutes and they struggled down the stretch and lost.
It was a tough game. We had done everything we needed to last week till the last 5-10 minutes of the game Saturday.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:01 am to SouthOfSouth
With every passing SEC season I see less and less from Johnny Jones that makes me think he will ever get anything of note done at LSU. Case in point. It is clear to everyone that the reason LSU lost Saturday was their abysmal 3 pt shooting in the second half and their willingness to keep jacking up three's early in the shot clock with a double-digit lead.
While doing a good job in the OOC slate, through the first four games of SEC play LSU is leading the league in 3 point attempts per game. They are the ONLY team in the league that has taken 20+ attempts in every SEC game thus far. The problem is that this team isn't a good 3 point shooting team. There are only two guys in the rotation who you would call 3 point shooters and both have their limitations: Patterson doesn't play a ton of minutes and Hornsby is very streaky. Why with this personnel is LSU taking so many 3 pointers?
This to me is evident of just how poor and inefficient LSU's offensive approach really is. The offense has a tendency to become very stagnant in the half-court with no identifiable direction. It is rare that they are able to manufacture good looks inside the arc. That is why they take so many 3's. Those shots are ALWAYS available, and LSU and Jones are content in jacking them up en masse.
This isn't anything new for Jones. His first two teams at LSU are #1 and #2 in school history for most 3 point attempts in a season..It is absolutely frustrating to watch as a fan because there is absolutely no reason THIS TEAM should be taking that many 3's.
Unless they figure something out Jones is staring 9-9 in the face once more. There are going to be nights when LSU is able to hit from deep and they will be able to pull out a tight game (see UGA). Then there will be games where they shoot themselves out of a win. That's unnecessarily already happened twice in 4 games:
Mizzou: 6/22 27%
A&M: 7/23 30% (1/13 in the second half WITH A LARGE LEAD)
While doing a good job in the OOC slate, through the first four games of SEC play LSU is leading the league in 3 point attempts per game. They are the ONLY team in the league that has taken 20+ attempts in every SEC game thus far. The problem is that this team isn't a good 3 point shooting team. There are only two guys in the rotation who you would call 3 point shooters and both have their limitations: Patterson doesn't play a ton of minutes and Hornsby is very streaky. Why with this personnel is LSU taking so many 3 pointers?
This to me is evident of just how poor and inefficient LSU's offensive approach really is. The offense has a tendency to become very stagnant in the half-court with no identifiable direction. It is rare that they are able to manufacture good looks inside the arc. That is why they take so many 3's. Those shots are ALWAYS available, and LSU and Jones are content in jacking them up en masse.
This isn't anything new for Jones. His first two teams at LSU are #1 and #2 in school history for most 3 point attempts in a season..It is absolutely frustrating to watch as a fan because there is absolutely no reason THIS TEAM should be taking that many 3's.
Unless they figure something out Jones is staring 9-9 in the face once more. There are going to be nights when LSU is able to hit from deep and they will be able to pull out a tight game (see UGA). Then there will be games where they shoot themselves out of a win. That's unnecessarily already happened twice in 4 games:
Mizzou: 6/22 27%
A&M: 7/23 30% (1/13 in the second half WITH A LARGE LEAD)
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:09 am to Alt26
Couldn't agree more. Are zone O I is bad. I thought during 4 minute stretch when we couldn't score we should have pressed so maybe we could have gotten some break points.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:10 am to SouthOfSouth
quote:Usually 5 minutes of sloppy play. Three pointers, turnovers, and being late on defense. Wondering if a timeout would serve us well in the middle of one of these.
5 minute stretch that just kills leads
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:10 am to SouthOfSouth
Still too disgusted.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:25 am to Alt26
quote:
This to me is evident of just how poor and inefficient LSU's offensive approach really is. The offense has a tendency to become very stagnant in the half-court with no identifiable direction. It is rare that they are able to manufacture good looks inside the arc. That is why they take so many 3's. Those shots are ALWAYS available, and LSU and Jones are content in jacking them up en masse.
This isn't anything new for Jones. His first two teams at LSU are #1 and #2 in school history for most 3 point attempts in a season..It is absolutely frustrating to watch as a fan because there is absolutely no reason THIS TEAM should be taking that many 3's.
Unless they figure something out Jones is staring 9-9 in the face once more. There are going to be nights when LSU is able to hit from deep and they will be able to pull out a tight game (see UGA). Then there will be games where they shoot themselves out of a win. That's unnecessarily already happened twice in 4 games:
Mizzou: 6/22 27%
A&M: 7/23 30% (1/13 in the second half WITH A LARGE LEAD)
I totally agree that the three point attempts have to stop. I am totally in awe of how players or coaches allowed so many three's to be shot against aTm.
I don't think that Jones is a failure or will not be a great coach for LSU though. I think he is learning on the fly and a lot of people are behind him. He has made strides in a lot of ways already. Obviously recruiting has been much better and I do think the defense has really improved this year.
Offensively, I agree that we have to stop taking so many damn three's. It's almost to the point where I think Jones should go an entire half not allowing players to take a three and force them to go to the basket and see what happens. I think the players would realize they can score inside if they were forced to. Still, we have been very good at times and I think Jones will get it turned around. Hopefully quick enough to make the tourney this year.
I also noticed that LSU is only 5th in 3PA/FGA in SEC play. Still way too high with Mickey and Martin being our best options, but it's not horrible.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 10:31 am
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:54 am to SouthOfSouth
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Jordan Mickey
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13 blocks
The more I watch him, the more I feel this stat is fool's gold for what he's actually doing on defense. His post defense and his problem of being out of position of defense on a regular basis hurts his case for being an NBA caliber player. He relies way too much on his athletic ability for a block which puts him out of position a lot of times. His blocks seem to show up a more so on him rotating off his man to help versus him defending the ball playing good defense and getting the block.
I may be being too critical of him, but between him and Martin looking to move on to the next level they just do not have the defensive side of the ball to a point where you could put them against NBA players and expect them to do anything but get burned.
JOB is playing in the NBA because of his ability to work through the post on offense and defend the post on defense. The 2 guys we have now can do neither as effective as JOB could. They may be faster and can jump higher than JOB but they are dragging behind is playing their ability to play and defend the post.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:14 am to SouthOfSouth
quote:I am going to go ahead and guess that Gray had 4 of the 6.
Top Team Stat of Week: LSU blocked 20 shots on the week, while LSU was only blocked 6 times.
Very tough loss, but I think it was just a down game. The previous game was so intense it probably drained a lot from the team.
I like how Malone is on the floor more but wish they would throw it down low to him on offense once or twice. He has a decent hook and offense is an area that he can help on. Instead they are ignoring him.
CJJ is still improving with sub's, but it will be a process. Martin really impressed with some offensive moves, especially the spin move. Did the scout sitting next to you get excited about that?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:18 am to SouthOfSouth
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I don't think that Jones is a failure or will not be a great coach for LSU though. I think he is learning on the fly and a lot of people are behind him. He has made strides in a lot of ways already. Obviously recruiting has been much better and I do think the defense has really improved this year.
Obviously the recruiting has been very good. And I do agree that the defense, while still not great at times, has been better from last year. I think that is a direct effect of Mussleman though. Wasn't he brought in to focus on the defense? The concern with Jones learning on the fly is that he isn't just some young asst coach with little to no HC experience. This is his 13th year as a HC (14th if you consider the interim year at Memphis). Certainly the SEC is a tougher league than the Sun Belt with much better players. But basketball fundamentals are the same at every level. This group struggles in that dept.
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I also noticed that LSU is only 5th in 3PA/FGA in SEC play. Still way too high with Mickey and Martin being our best options, but it's not horrible.
Is that counting ALL games, or just SEC games? From what I looked at LSU has taken 94 3's in 4 games. Most in the league. (Bama second at 93)
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:44 am to Alt26
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Is that counting ALL games, or just SEC games? From what I looked at LSU has taken 94 3's in 4 games. Most in the league. (Bama second at 93)
That is just league games. LSU takes more shots than most. We have the fastest pace by far and have played 3 OT's. We may have taken the most 3 shots but not 3PA/FGA which is probably a better metric on taking too many three's. Still think it is too many.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:50 am to SouthOfSouth
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The NBA scout sitting next to me said Patterson "plays with great pace" and said if he can consistently hit his three point shot he would be an interesting professional prospect.
Well, what did he say about Martin and Mickey?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:54 am to MC123
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Well, what did he say about Martin and Mickey?
The comment that stuck with me for Mickey was, "Man, I wish he was just a couple inches taller." Didn't say much about Martin but looked impressed with him when driving to the hoop. I think he came to the game with enough knowledge on them that he didn't have to ask much.
He did ask if Mickey was coming close to a blocks record and I was like 6/7 blocks is pretty regular for him and nothing new. He was calling blocks about 2 seconds before they happened. He could just tell right before he packed someone. It was pretty funny.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:01 pm to SouthOfSouth
Mickey... 2 assist, 8 turnovers... there is a reason we can't truly play through the post. This has been consistent with him all year. As good as he is on defense, the fact that you have to play Martin outside because of Mickey's inability to care for the ball, it kills the offense. At one point, Darcy Malone was playing on the perimeter in a 4 out set with Mickey down low...
That being said, game is on CJJ 100%. He recruits combo guards for a reason but he fails to manage the game with them. They will always have a shoot first mentality and a my turn mentality. When you have those players, you've got to use your timeouts and media timeouts to remind them of situational basketball. Something he still can't do. Maybe he improves but for now, LSU will always be limited due to him.
That being said, game is on CJJ 100%. He recruits combo guards for a reason but he fails to manage the game with them. They will always have a shoot first mentality and a my turn mentality. When you have those players, you've got to use your timeouts and media timeouts to remind them of situational basketball. Something he still can't do. Maybe he improves but for now, LSU will always be limited due to him.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:16 pm to SouthOfSouth
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The comment that stuck with me for Mickey was, "Man, I wish he was just a couple inches taller."
That's why I think Mickey is gone after this season regardless of what LSU does the rest of the way. His game is probably as good as it's going to get at LSU, and (while I guess it's possible) he probably isn't going to grow 2-3 more inches. He will get great numbers and likely finish in the top 10 in points/blocks/rebounds. Someone will take him in the 2nd round (maybe late 1st) with the thought that they can refine his game (he already has decent touch from around 15 ft). The NBA can't teach his timing and athleticism
Martin is probably the better candidate to come back after this season. He has the higher NBA ceiling but needs a lot of coaching. He is LSU's "star" player, but is extremely passive. He wants nothing to do with the ball in big spots. To me, he plays like Rashard Lewis (without the consistent ability to knock down 3's) He has all the size and potential you can ask for, but seems just content to be a spot up 3 point shooter. The sad thing is that JJ has that same passive personality which doesn't help Martin. He seems like a guy that needs to be driven constantly and kicked in the arse sometimes so that he can realize just how good he could be.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:17 pm to Coach D
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That being said, game is on CJJ 100%. He recruits combo guards for a reason but he fails to manage the game with them. They will always have a shoot first mentality and a my turn mentality. When you have those players, you've got to use your timeouts and media timeouts to remind them of situational basketball. Something he still can't do. Maybe he improves but for now, LSU will always be limited due to him.
I'll give it to you, he has to control their shot selection better. If it is one game, shame on them... Now that it's been multiple games, shame on you coach.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:19 pm to Coach D
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They will always have a shoot first mentality and a my turn mentality. When you have those players, you've got to use your timeouts and media timeouts to remind them of situational basketball. Something he still can't do. Maybe he improves but for now, LSU will always be limited due to him.
agree with this
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:21 pm to SouthOfSouth
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I think he is learning on the fly
I mean, should a guy who's now in his 15th year coaching Division I basketball really be learning basic things like taking a time out before you lose a 13 point lead or yelling at players for taking 4, 5, 6 3 pointers in a row and missing all of them?
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