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OSU's win was the worst possible outcome for the BCS AND the 4-team playoff
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:58 am
I didn't think it was possible, but all it took was one year for the public to simultaneously shite on the BCS and the current playoff format.
Nothing went right in the semi finals and the finals. An undefeated, reigning national champion was skull-dragged in one semi-final, and the #1 team in the country was beaten in the other game - both of which would have been the BCS participants.
Then, the #4 team that barely got in winds up winning the whole enchilada while the #5 team blows apart their bowl opponent. The end result is that people now want to expand the playoffs, and they are riding the momentum of OSU and TCU looking like world-beaters in their games. This shite will never end. If they go to 6 teams, the first time #6 wins the #7 team and the country will cry foul. Ditto for #8 and #9.
The bottom line is that the farther you expand the playoffs, the more difficult it is to separate teams. I was a BCS proponent, but I can live with a 4-team playoff. Anything more degrades both the regular season and the playoffs IMO.
Nothing went right in the semi finals and the finals. An undefeated, reigning national champion was skull-dragged in one semi-final, and the #1 team in the country was beaten in the other game - both of which would have been the BCS participants.
Then, the #4 team that barely got in winds up winning the whole enchilada while the #5 team blows apart their bowl opponent. The end result is that people now want to expand the playoffs, and they are riding the momentum of OSU and TCU looking like world-beaters in their games. This shite will never end. If they go to 6 teams, the first time #6 wins the #7 team and the country will cry foul. Ditto for #8 and #9.
The bottom line is that the farther you expand the playoffs, the more difficult it is to separate teams. I was a BCS proponent, but I can live with a 4-team playoff. Anything more degrades both the regular season and the playoffs IMO.
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:00 am to slackster
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Then, the #4 team that barely got in winds up winning the whole enchilada while the #5 team blows apart their bowl opponent. The end result is that people now want to expand the playoffs, and they are riding the momentum of OSU and TCU looking like world-beaters in their games. This shite will never end. If they go to 6 teams, the first time #6 wins the #7 team and the country will cry foul. Ditto for #8 and #9.
Yep, but there are natural limits. For example, a 12 team format could (a) incorporate every FBS conference champion (assuming the number keeps falling) (b) incorporate a given number of at large bids and (c) would reward the top teams with a bye.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:00 am to slackster
R-E-L-A-X.
It worked out fine.
Drastic changes will not be made over the likes of TCU and Baylor getting screwed.
Now ... if it were OU or Texas ... then ...
It worked out fine.
Drastic changes will not be made over the likes of TCU and Baylor getting screwed.
Now ... if it were OU or Texas ... then ...
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:01 am to slackster
There will always be arguing no matter what scenario we have., but IMO it is a hell of a lot easier to leave out a #9 than it is a #5, especially this year.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 11:02 am
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:01 am to slackster
quote:According to who?
Nothing went right in the semi finals and the finals.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:02 am to slackster
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This shite will never end. If they go to 6 teams, the first time #6 wins the #7 team and the country will cry foul. Ditto for #8 and #9.
I disagree. With a 4 team playoff and 5 major conferences, you are leaving out the champ of a major conference.
With an 8 team playoff that is not the case. It also makes sure to include every deserving 1 loss team. Every team can have a bad day or flukey loss. What if Wisconsin went 12-1 last year with that one loss being that garbage Arizona State game?
2 losses though, proves you are not deserving, and an 8 team playoff would shut out most if not all 2 loss teams.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:02 am to slackster
OSU proved that the BCS awarded championships to the wrong teams.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:03 am to arcalades
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OSU proved that the BCS awarded championships to the wrong teams.
No.Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:03 am to taylork37
quote:Agreed.
There will always be arguing no matter what scenario we have., but IMO it is a hell of a lot easier to leave out a #9 than it is a #5, especially this year.
I don't understand why people are so wholeheartedly against expanding to 8 teams. It results in more exciting football games and including all legitimate contenders. What is there to bitch about?
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 11:05 am
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:04 am to navy
IMO, the outcome just shows that this is not any better than the BCS. Neither humans nor computer polls are flawless. Whether rankings are based on stats only or based on the "eye-ball test", there will be things that don't end up looking right.
That happens when you have a game played on a field. If you played the playoffs again starting over with the semi-final, you could have a completely different outcome. The outcome itself doesn't make the process any better or worse.
TL;DR = there are pros and cons to every system. the results of the games can go either way and shouldn't determine the process.
That happens when you have a game played on a field. If you played the playoffs again starting over with the semi-final, you could have a completely different outcome. The outcome itself doesn't make the process any better or worse.
TL;DR = there are pros and cons to every system. the results of the games can go either way and shouldn't determine the process.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:04 am to slackster
But for the VT stumble, OSU would have been the #1 team in both the BCS and Playoff draw.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:06 am to slackster
I think last night was a great night for college football. The best team won the championship and if we still had the BCS, they wouldn't even have gotten a chance
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:06 am to goldennugget
Yeah, i think 8 is the logical stopping point, as it would include each of the major conferences.
But I really think this was the best case scenario, and I'll never be confused for a Buckeye fan. It showed that there is real depth of title contenders, yet the regular season, particularly OOC scheduling and conference titles, were given extreme value (Baylor's OOC was awful and TCU did not win the Big 12 outright). The playoff, ironically, placed MORE value on the regular season and particularly on conference titles.
Also, it ramps up the SEC-Big 10 rivalry, which is great for the sport. Also, the SEC can no longer coast on reputation. You have to beat teams.
I think we'll see an 8-team playoff eventually, but I don't see it happening right away, and very little interest in going beyond that.
But I really think this was the best case scenario, and I'll never be confused for a Buckeye fan. It showed that there is real depth of title contenders, yet the regular season, particularly OOC scheduling and conference titles, were given extreme value (Baylor's OOC was awful and TCU did not win the Big 12 outright). The playoff, ironically, placed MORE value on the regular season and particularly on conference titles.
Also, it ramps up the SEC-Big 10 rivalry, which is great for the sport. Also, the SEC can no longer coast on reputation. You have to beat teams.
I think we'll see an 8-team playoff eventually, but I don't see it happening right away, and very little interest in going beyond that.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:07 am to udtiger
quote:You can play this game with all of the 1 loss teams and some 2 loss teams.
But for the VT stumble, OSU would have been the #1 team in both the BCS and Playoff draw.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:08 am to hashtag
quote:What?
the results of the games can go either way and shouldn't determine the process.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:11 am to slackster
bullshite, the playoff did exactly what it was designed to do: prevent the SEC from getting another title.
bama woulda have been matched against oregon or FSU and had a good chance to beat both.
OSU winning it all from #4 is a feather in the playoff's cap, it proved the playoff worked.
the only thing wrong is a team that could have competed was left out. need to expand to 6
bama woulda have been matched against oregon or FSU and had a good chance to beat both.
OSU winning it all from #4 is a feather in the playoff's cap, it proved the playoff worked.
the only thing wrong is a team that could have competed was left out. need to expand to 6
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:11 am to arcalades
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OSU proved that the BCS awarded championships to the wrong teams.
My God
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:11 am to slackster
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I was a BCS proponent
Explains all of what you said
im in favor of 8 team playoff
Further all prior so called championships are illegitimate because it wasn't decided on the field of play
These things are common sense and any resistance to them has to do with control of money rather than whats right for the fans.
The NCAA div 1 CFB is nothing more than minor leagues for NFL and should be treated as such.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:12 am to slackster
It's a bad outcome if you assume that TCU had any argument whatsoever. They didn't.
Ohio State had a better record than TCU.
Ohio State's opponents had a better combined record than TCU's opponents.
Ohio State's opponents' opponents had a better combined record than TCU's opponents' opponents.
The four teams in the playoff were the correct four according to virtually every comprehensive statistic you can find.
Ohio State had a better record than TCU.
Ohio State's opponents had a better combined record than TCU's opponents.
Ohio State's opponents' opponents had a better combined record than TCU's opponents' opponents.
The four teams in the playoff were the correct four according to virtually every comprehensive statistic you can find.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:13 am to navy
quote:No changes were made in 2009.
Now ... if it were OU or Texas ... then ...
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