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re: OSU's win was the worst possible outcome for the BCS AND the 4-team playoff
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:14 am to taylork37
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:14 am to taylork37
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There will always be arguing no matter what scenario we have., but IMO it is a hell of a lot easier to leave out a #9 than it is a #5, especially this year.
this
8 would get you all P5 champs, have a slot for the best G5 to keep them happy, and a couple of wild card slots for the best of the rest.
now if we could only have the final title game land on NYD...
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:15 am to Tiguar
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bullshite, the playoff did exactly what it was designed to do: prevent the SEC from getting another title.
Slive was the one calling for the playoff years ago. It was always the Big 10 that was against it.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 11:16 am
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:16 am to Dr RC
quote:No, it would give you the top eight teams.
8 would get you all P5 champs, have a slot for the best G5 to keep them happy, and a couple of wild card slots for the best of the rest.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:21 am to ballscaster
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No, it would give you the top eight teams.
No
conference champs, the top G5, and two wildcards.
do you want the regular season to mean something or not?
we dont need a playoff where its 4 SEC teams, 2 Big10, a Pac, and an ACC squad.
you simply cannot determine who is the "best" when hardly anyone from the p5s plays each other.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 11:23 am
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:23 am to Dr RC
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you simply cannot determine who is the "best" when hardly anyone from the p5s plays each other.
A million times this. If this season teaches us anything, it's that our conception of conference strength is based on mountains of bullshite. Conferences don't really play each other in the regular season.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:24 am to Dr RC
quote:How do you think we find out who the top eight are?
do you want the regular season to mean something or not?
"Conference champ" means "best over eight or nine games." You want to count part of the regular season. I want to count the whole regular season.
Do you want the regular season to matter or not?
quote:Sure, if you suck at math.
you simply cannot determine who is the "best" when hardly anyone from the p5s plays each other.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:26 am to Baloo
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If this season teaches us anything, it's that our conception of conference strength is based on mountains of bullshite.
I don't know about all that. Using bowl season to say the SEC is weaker than perceived isn't really fair when there is multiple week lay offs between the end of season and the bowls. The only SEC team motivated to lay should have been Bama, but OSu was more motivated
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:26 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Especially when the SEC went 7-5 in bowls.
Using bowl season to say the SEC is weaker than perceived isn't really fair
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:38 am to ballscaster
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How do you think we find out who the top eight are?
"Conference champ" means "best over eight or nine games." You want to count part of the regular season. I want to count the whole regular season.
Do you want the regular season to matter or not?
Nobody is saying completely disregard OOC. That would be part of seeding and how the wild card teams are determined.
Too bad, so sad if you dont win your conference and get left out.
The odds of a team with a mediocre record winning their conference are extremely low anyway. I can't even think of a time aside from Wisconsin crushing Nebraska that a school w/a piss poor record won a P5 conference.
quote:
Sure, if you suck at math.
way to have an "argument" that means nothing
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:41 am to slackster
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while the #5 team blows apart their bowl opponent
All sounds good but you're making things up. TCU was NOT the #5 team. Baylor was and they lost their bowl game.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:44 am to LNCHBOX
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I don't know about all that. Using bowl season to say the SEC is weaker than perceived isn't really fair when there is multiple week lay offs between the end of season and the bowls.
Uhh, it may not be fair, but bowl season has been used to determine unofficial conference strength for a long time.
ETA:
Saying this now that the top 5 SEC West teams has performed miserably is kinda funny.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 11:47 am
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:45 am to Dr RC
quote:But you're saying disregard part of it. They won't.
Nobody is saying completely disregard OOC.
quote:You can keep thinking that, but the people crafting this are a bit smarter than Clay Travis.
That would be part of seeding and how the wild card teams are determined.
quote:None of this matters, Clay. Your idea is bad for reasons that you don't understand because you haven't done your homework.
The odds of a team with a mediocre record winning their conference are extremely low anyway. I can't even think of a time aside from Wisconsin crushing Nebraska that a school w/a piss poor record won a P5 conference.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 11:46 am
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:46 am to slackster
Drop conference championship games, go to an 8 team playoff.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:48 am to slackster
bullshite
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:48 am to taylork37
The playoff worked out this year in particular because there was only 1 undefeated team, and most viewed that team as vulnerable and not very strong.
Hence, the playoff opened the door for 1-loss teams.
Bama gets a mulligan for Ole Miss (no surprise there).
Oregon got a mulligan for Arizona.
tOSU got a big mulligan for VaTech.
OK fine.
What happens next year if there are two undefeated Big 5's and then the other two have to be teams with losses?
I am fine with this 4-team arrangement ... but, I am against doing anything further that will cheapen the regular season and the paramount importance of winning every damn week.
A loss SHOULD have major consequences.
Hence, the playoff opened the door for 1-loss teams.
Bama gets a mulligan for Ole Miss (no surprise there).
Oregon got a mulligan for Arizona.
tOSU got a big mulligan for VaTech.
OK fine.
What happens next year if there are two undefeated Big 5's and then the other two have to be teams with losses?
I am fine with this 4-team arrangement ... but, I am against doing anything further that will cheapen the regular season and the paramount importance of winning every damn week.
A loss SHOULD have major consequences.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:48 am to taylork37
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Uhh, it may not be fair, but bowl season has been used to determine unofficial conference strength for a long time.
It's flawed though. Layoffs, motivation, etc.
Look at what the SEC did when everything was equal during the regular season. No OOC losses, with some big name wins. That says more to me than a bowl season.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Drop conference championship games, go to an 8 team playoff.
This could be interesting. But the conference championships are basically a preliminary round of the playoffs in many cases.
Not having a CCG opens the door for Baylor vs TCU all over again.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:51 am to slackster
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while the #5 team blows apart their bowl opponent.
Actually, the #5 team lost their game, but the #6 team blew apart their bowl opponent.
: )
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:51 am to Tiguar
Yeah it was a conspiracy against the sec. You belong on Infowars.com you are the Alex jones of the college sports world
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:51 am to LNCHBOX
I'm ok with the complaining that's going on. No matter what there will always be that small group that wants chaos so they'll try to drum it up out of anything.
However bad it is now, it would've been a complete mess had TCU gotten in and not won it all.
However bad it is now, it would've been a complete mess had TCU gotten in and not won it all.
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