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Miles' WANT to prove Chavis is not the main key
Posted on 1/9/15 at 4:38 am
Posted on 1/9/15 at 4:38 am
Well, first of all, no one is contending that Chief is not a good DC. And Miles, if he were to be so honest as to say so, knows that with the anemic offenses LSU has produced in the down years between 2009 and 2014, relied heavily on the LSU defense to shoulder the team to 8 or more wins, as the offense has been downright putrid numerous times in this 6 years span which was up and down. Chief's arrival in 2009 was definitely a strong upgrade over the Malveto disaster, that is for sure, so He was unquestionably a positive to the team while at LSU.
However, I think most people see that both at Tennessee, and at LSU, that his greatness is directly proportional to the number of future NFLers on the roster that he has to work with. When chief's talent goes down, his greatness also reduces, and when that is combined with the dreaded "3rd and Chavis", well, when combined with the offensive struggles we too often have, we know how painful it can be to watch the Tigers.
Be all that as it may, LSU is the draw that brings stellar talent to the Tigers roster, as Frank Wilson and Coach Miles and others are the main forces that bring this talent to our Tigers. Sure, some of it was Chavis, but the point is that Miles and his recruiting team are the real ingredients which determine the how many future NFLers are on the roster of DBU and DLineU.
So, Miles has incentive to show that his way of being a strong coach is to get talent on the roster, and the defensive side of the ball will continue to get such amazing talent, and a reasonably good DC will prove to be able to mold that talent into a productive and strong unit at LSU, and continue to be a conduit of players to the league.
Miles has a want to prove that Chief is not the main reason, and that he and his new staff will be able to yield a strong roster and strong results that extend from that roster in the years that lie remaining in the Miles's era. Indeed, while we are frustrated with the DC process, as long as we get someone reasonable well thought of and capable, we will continue to be the place to be for talent that wants to play top tier college ball and go to the league, for both offensive and especially defensive players from the talent rich bayou state and beyond.
Miles has that want.
However, I think most people see that both at Tennessee, and at LSU, that his greatness is directly proportional to the number of future NFLers on the roster that he has to work with. When chief's talent goes down, his greatness also reduces, and when that is combined with the dreaded "3rd and Chavis", well, when combined with the offensive struggles we too often have, we know how painful it can be to watch the Tigers.
Be all that as it may, LSU is the draw that brings stellar talent to the Tigers roster, as Frank Wilson and Coach Miles and others are the main forces that bring this talent to our Tigers. Sure, some of it was Chavis, but the point is that Miles and his recruiting team are the real ingredients which determine the how many future NFLers are on the roster of DBU and DLineU.
So, Miles has incentive to show that his way of being a strong coach is to get talent on the roster, and the defensive side of the ball will continue to get such amazing talent, and a reasonably good DC will prove to be able to mold that talent into a productive and strong unit at LSU, and continue to be a conduit of players to the league.
Miles has a want to prove that Chief is not the main reason, and that he and his new staff will be able to yield a strong roster and strong results that extend from that roster in the years that lie remaining in the Miles's era. Indeed, while we are frustrated with the DC process, as long as we get someone reasonable well thought of and capable, we will continue to be the place to be for talent that wants to play top tier college ball and go to the league, for both offensive and especially defensive players from the talent rich bayou state and beyond.
Miles has that want.
This post was edited on 1/9/15 at 4:46 am
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Posted on 1/9/15 at 5:30 am to Football_Freak
I hope that this is the situation...Many on here will try to say otherwise, but it depends heavily on the DC hire. Also as some have commented before, recruiting this state is a must. We, as a fan base, are tired of having the talent taken from the state to play at other universities.(Gumps) Many feel as I do that keeping kids in state is a must. That being said, whoever the DC hire is must be a solid recruiter as well to bolster our recruiting efforts even more to lock the state up. I think that is why there is so much fervor for Ed O.
What it all comes down to is that tiger fans want the best for this University and team we love to root for with a passion.
What it all comes down to is that tiger fans want the best for this University and team we love to root for with a passion.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 6:07 am to Football_Freak
We are promoting Brick, and we are bringing in coach O. We have not announced it yet inorder to let Coach O contact all these recruits during the dead period. On the morning drive, Jordy said he has been texting recruits like Dylan Mack and CeCe Jefferson all the time while in studio.
This is the only positive way I can spin this right now and I just hope this is true.
This is the only positive way I can spin this right now and I just hope this is true.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 6:17 am to Football_Freak
Baseless assumption.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 6:39 am to Football_Freak
I still hate the Miles' possessive convention. I really am partial to the more standard Miles's since it is his proper name and not a plural noun.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 6:47 am to Football_Freak
quote:Like every coach everywhere.
However, I think most people see that both at Tennessee, and at LSU, that his greatness is directly proportional to the number of future NFLers on the roster that he has to work with.
The main difference is that when Chavis has great talent, he has produced the best defense in college football. When LSU has had the best talent in college football on offense, he has produced something like the 30th best offense in football. When he only has top 15 talent Les has trouble breaking the top 75 on offense.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:18 am to Mo Jeaux
Looking for correct grammar on the Rant is a foolish endeavor. 
Half the people here probably have no idea what the words in your post mean.
Half the people here probably have no idea what the words in your post mean. Posted on 1/9/15 at 7:21 am to Football_Freak
quote:
Miles' WANT to prove Chavis is not the main key
I think Miles made a mistake in 2007 thinking it was all about the system and that he could just promote from within and things would be fine...Malveto knew Pelini's system and the transition would be seamless.
Sometimes you learn from your mistakes.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:50 am to GeauxTigers0107
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Baseless assumption.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 8:56 am to Radman64
A. tl;dr
B. Pride cometh before the fall
B. Pride cometh before the fall
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:32 am to Football_Freak
quote:but not the chest or grey matter
Miles has that want
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:37 am to Football_Freak
Football_Freak you are wrong about Chavis, it is amazing people spout off about bullshite without even looking at stats well let me give you some. In the 6 years that Chavis was LSU's DC here is what he did overall,
"LSU's defense ranked second nationally in scoring defense (17.1 ppg) in Chavis' six-year tenure and fifth in total defense (309.6 ypg). The Tigers were 11th against the run (125.9 ypg) and third against the pass (183.7 ypg) between 2009 and 2014."
Seriously the only school in the SEC with better defensive numbers during that same time period is Bama. Yes recruits were coming to play at LSU because of LSU, Miles and Wilson. But if you don't think they were also coming to play for Chief than you truly are not smart enough to get out of the rain.
It is plain and simple Miles needs to get this hire right with his offensive style of play because if he doesn't I honestly predict this will be the last coordinator hire of his LSU career because it will be the undoing of his LSU career.
"LSU's defense ranked second nationally in scoring defense (17.1 ppg) in Chavis' six-year tenure and fifth in total defense (309.6 ypg). The Tigers were 11th against the run (125.9 ypg) and third against the pass (183.7 ypg) between 2009 and 2014."
Seriously the only school in the SEC with better defensive numbers during that same time period is Bama. Yes recruits were coming to play at LSU because of LSU, Miles and Wilson. But if you don't think they were also coming to play for Chief than you truly are not smart enough to get out of the rain.
It is plain and simple Miles needs to get this hire right with his offensive style of play because if he doesn't I honestly predict this will be the last coordinator hire of his LSU career because it will be the undoing of his LSU career.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:45 am to Football_Freak
quote:
Miles has that want.
Miles has a want to produce capable and warranted results that conduit from an over-arching desire to achieve Victory.
And this is why five star talent will play defense at LSU in order to attain and sustain success in a manner consistent with the highest expectations, wants, and hopes, for the children.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 9:51 am to Football_Freak
Miles does not understand offense from what I can tell. Having half an offense is like no offense at all. He better get that straightened out quickly.
The way that Chavis left was curious to say the least.
The way that Chavis left was curious to say the least.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:31 am to Football_Freak
You have more faith in Miles than I. I feel we will end up with a tweener, a plug the leak attempt until next year.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
You have more faith in Miles than I. I feel we will end up with a tweener, a plug the leak attempt until next year.
Yup
Posted on 1/9/15 at 10:52 am to Football_Freak
quote:
Well, first of all, no one is contending that Chief is not a good DC. And Miles, if he were to be so honest as to say so, knows that with the anemic offenses LSU has produced in the down years between 2009 and 2014, relied heavily on the LSU defense to shoulder the team to 8 or more wins, as the offense has been downright putrid numerous times in this 6 years span which was up and down. Chief's arrival in 2009 was definitely a strong upgrade over the Malveto disaster, that is for sure, so He was unquestionably a positive to the team while at LSU. However, I think most people see that both at Tennessee, and at LSU, that his greatness is directly proportional to the number of future NFLers on the roster that he has to work with. When chief's talent goes down, his greatness also reduces, and when that is combined with the dreaded "3rd and Chavis", well, when combined with the offensive struggles we too often have, we know how painful it can be to watch the Tigers. Be all that as it may, LSU is the draw that brings stellar talent to the Tigers roster, as Frank Wilson and Coach Miles and others are the main forces that bring this talent to our Tigers. Sure, some of it was Chavis, but the point is that Miles and his recruiting team are the real ingredients which determine the how many future NFLers are on the roster of DBU and DLineU. So, Miles has incentive to show that his way of being a strong coach is to get talent on the roster, and the defensive side of the ball will continue to get such amazing talent, and a reasonably good DC will prove to be able to mold that talent into a productive and strong unit at LSU, and continue to be a conduit of players to the league. Miles has a want to prove that Chief is not the main reason, and that he and his new staff will be able to yield a strong roster and strong results that extend from that roster in the years that lie remaining in the Miles's era. Indeed, while we are frustrated with the DC process, as long as we get someone reasonable well thought of and capable, we will continue to be the place to be for talent that wants to play top tier college ball and go to the league, for both offensive and especially defensive players from the talent rich bayou state and beyond. Miles has that want.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 11:12 am to YouAre8Up
quote:
We are promoting Brick, and we are bringing in coach O. We have not announced it yet inorder to let Coach O contact all these recruits during the dead period. On the morning drive, Jordy said he has been texting recruits like Dylan Mack and CeCe Jefferson all the time while in studio.
I have a want to believe this is what is happening
Posted on 1/9/15 at 1:45 pm to Dudebro2
Yes the DC hire will be the biggest decision Coach Miles makes in a long time. DC Chavis has been the reason we have stayed relevant the past six years. I'm always gonna be a big fan of his, and I wish him success in the future (not so much against us).
Our biggest continued weakness will be our offense, and I dont see that changing anytime soon. I just don't think we will be able to win enough big games without being able to score more points. Sure our defense will keep us in games. Our running game will be solid, but we are not explosive enough to win the SEC. As this current bowl season has proven, the only way we will ever play for a national championship again, will be to win the SEC Title first, unless they expand the new playoff format.
Is it just me that thinks Coach Miles became obsessed with Johnny Football and the havoc it wreaked on the rest of the SEC, not including us. Ever since he is looking to follow and play catch up with that type of offense? Jennings and Harris may be the answer someday, but I do not see Coach Miles ever giving them or any future recruit a long enough leash to succeed. Why would he handcuff Coach Cameron to that type of offense when his proven success was with pro style offense. I know it was a buddy hire, but still let him chart the offensive direction. I know I'm not alone wishing Michigan would have come after Coach Miles much harder. I'm a little concerned that once you become a follower, you are no longer a leader (Michigan probably picked up on that) I just hope Coach Miles has not lost his edge. I will be happy if we can get 10 wins every year, and play in a decent bowl, but any higher expectation is just not realistic. Coach Miles and his family are a great asset to LSU, and he has gotten comfortable with that fact over the past 10 seasons.
Our biggest continued weakness will be our offense, and I dont see that changing anytime soon. I just don't think we will be able to win enough big games without being able to score more points. Sure our defense will keep us in games. Our running game will be solid, but we are not explosive enough to win the SEC. As this current bowl season has proven, the only way we will ever play for a national championship again, will be to win the SEC Title first, unless they expand the new playoff format.
Is it just me that thinks Coach Miles became obsessed with Johnny Football and the havoc it wreaked on the rest of the SEC, not including us. Ever since he is looking to follow and play catch up with that type of offense? Jennings and Harris may be the answer someday, but I do not see Coach Miles ever giving them or any future recruit a long enough leash to succeed. Why would he handcuff Coach Cameron to that type of offense when his proven success was with pro style offense. I know it was a buddy hire, but still let him chart the offensive direction. I know I'm not alone wishing Michigan would have come after Coach Miles much harder. I'm a little concerned that once you become a follower, you are no longer a leader (Michigan probably picked up on that) I just hope Coach Miles has not lost his edge. I will be happy if we can get 10 wins every year, and play in a decent bowl, but any higher expectation is just not realistic. Coach Miles and his family are a great asset to LSU, and he has gotten comfortable with that fact over the past 10 seasons.
Posted on 1/9/15 at 5:04 pm to sectalkr
What fricking edge ?
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