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Posted on 1/6/15 at 9:38 am
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Posted on 1/6/15 at 9:45 am to CQQ
It can be deceiving.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 9:46 am to CQQ
It's not a good indicator of a player's performance.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 9:47 am to CQQ
from what I gather, if it shows harden >>> AD it is a great indicator. if it doesn't then it's terrible
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Posted on 1/6/15 at 9:51 am to Fearthehat0307
Honestly +/- is more indicative of unit performance than player. There really isn't a good measure for individual performance. PER is just as flawed.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 9:55 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Per is good as an offensive statistic, but that's only half the game
Posted on 1/6/15 at 9:56 am to htran90
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Per is good as an offensive statistic
No it isn't. It favors high usage way too much. Chuckers often have higher PERs than truly efficient offensive players.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 9:58 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Someone explain to me how +/- is a good indicator of a player's performance
Not as good as real plus minus
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Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:50 pm to CQQ
It's irrelevant for 1 game sample sizes, and it certainly can be skewed by how good a teams bench may be, but it can be helpful with a large enough sample size.
The elite guys' teams are always better with that player on the court over a large sample, that's certainly not an accident, obviously.
The elite guys' teams are always better with that player on the court over a large sample, that's certainly not an accident, obviously.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 4:57 pm to Fearthehat0307
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from what I gather, if it shows harden >>> AD it is a great indicator. if it doesn't then it's terrible
Posted on 1/6/15 at 5:14 pm to CQQ
Probably more indicative of the coach coaching to favorable match-ups if you really think about it.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 8:18 am to CQQ
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I understand the stat and (I think), because it's so widely used, I assume I'm missing something. Rivers only had a +/- of -1 last night. So 2 more points from us while he was in the game means he would've been in the +. From what I could see, he played a huge part in letting our 1 point deficit balloon in a hurry.
It's not perfect but it in conjuncture with minutes played is a better indicator of a player's contribution to their team than W/L record. You can't really help how the team plays when you are on the bench.
This post was edited on 1/7/15 at 8:19 am
Posted on 1/7/15 at 8:23 am to shel311
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It's irrelevant for 1 game sample sizes
Wrong. If its irrelevant for 1 game sample sizes, its irrelevant for the year. It just has such a high confidence interval that it isn't particularly useful.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 8:23 am to TheSexecutioner
And surprise surprise, Ryno is literally last on real +-
Posted on 1/7/15 at 8:37 am to TheSexecutioner
Well, his defense is pretty bad. For as many games as he looks awesome when lighting it up from 3 and helping the Pelicans get the lead, there are games when he's missing and causing his team's defense to give up buckets.
I don't know if that would be enough to put him in last, but I could see it being lower than many would expect it to be.
I don't know if that would be enough to put him in last, but I could see it being lower than many would expect it to be.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 8:38 am to PrimeTime Money
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For as many games as he looks awesome when lighting it up from 3 and helping the Pelicans get the lead, there are games when he's missing and causing his team's defense to give up buckets.
Yeah. He's added post scoring to his game this year which is good, but until he gets his 3 point percent back into near 40% range, he's about the same as Tyreke, some nights he wins you games and some nights he loses them for you. I will say that Ryno has gotten a bit of a pass this year from most fans. If he weren't such a likable guy he'd probably be taking as much heat as Tyreke does when he's not on.
This post was edited on 1/7/15 at 8:40 am
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:35 am to TigerinATL
Asik has a lower RPM than Anderson. -1.54 v -.99 (ranked 271 v 231)
I'm not much of a fan of how his shot selection has changed in NO. Considerably more 10ft-3pt shots, less 0-3ft shots.
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He's added post scoring to his game this year which is good
I'm not much of a fan of how his shot selection has changed in NO. Considerably more 10ft-3pt shots, less 0-3ft shots.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 9:51 am to corndeaux
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I'm not much of a fan of how his shot selection has changed in NO
I'd rather him taking more 3s, but I think it's good that when it's not going in, which has been a lot this season, he now has another tool in the arsenal to lean on.
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Considerably more 10ft-3pt shots, less 0-3ft shots.
Where'd all those shots at the rim come from in Orlando? He had half as many offensive rebounds per game back then so it's not like they were put backs.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 10:02 am to TigerinATL
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I will say that Ryno has gotten a bit of a pass this year from most fans. If he weren't such a likable guy he'd probably be taking as much heat as Tyreke does when he's not on.
I agree with you on this but I think the main difference is when Ryno has been missing shots they are usually open shots on sets that were run for him. A lot of Reke's misses come while playing hero ball and forcing up contested lay ups around a crowded rim.
Posted on 1/7/15 at 11:31 am to CQQ
I just let my eyes do the work for individual players. If a player looks like they're playing like crap, they probably are. The main stats I look at are FG%, turnovers, and rebounds. But usually I look at those to measure team performance. If you do better than the other team in all of those, you should win the game pretty handily
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