re: How did we lose 3 games in 2001 with a team loaded with nfl players?

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Auburn - 45-20 record, 2010 National Champ, 2013 Runner Up

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You think Top 5 Programs go winless in conference?

Asked and answered.

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You think Top 5 Programs go winless in conference?

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they do in this case since they went undefeated and won the national championship in 2010 and played in another one in 2013. I'd take a winless sec season if i could get another national championship in the process.

Skipping the 2,000 pages here:

Saban inherited a team that was loaded, make no mistake...not loaded the way Saban and Miles would load, but loaded nonetheless. The best young LB corp in the country...a future Biletnikoff winner, a great qb, a hell of a DL and some great O-linemen...yada, yada...DiNardo recruited well, too. The cupboard was bare when Saban arrived = not the case. Also, DiNardo arrived to some pretty damn good NFL talent as well (Northern, Faulk, Tori James, A. Stansberry, Denard Walker, A McFarland, Chuck Wiley, David LaFleur, etc.). The cupboard was only bare during the failing years of Mike Archer and Hallman's first year.

That said, I see the OP's original point. It's semi-clever and it does warrant a question. Think about how excited we were to play f'ing Illinois in the Sugar Bowl that season. Think about those 3 losses...one of them being an absolute embarrassment at the hands of Florida and an inability to adjust on Manning and his corp of wide-outs and TE's in the second half of the Ole Miss loss (Ole Miss didn't go to a bowl that season). Had the offense been firing that season like it did vs. Illinois, Arkansas, Alabama, and Auburn, would we have gone undefeated? Perhaps...at least just one loss. Still, that was a different time.

Did NIck Saban make LSU or did LSU make Nick Saban? Did Mark Emmert make LSU? Or did LSU make him? Saban was a coach who'd been nowhere incredible. He was not at the top of any list when we DID hire him. He was not so well-liked until 2001. Then, in 2002, he blew the Mauck qb situation in Florida. He blew the decision to kick a meaningless FG at the end of the game and allowed a soft defense and ST to allow Arkansas down the field easily. To this day, I have never been more stunned in a game. We backed into the '03 title game, yes. Still, I wonder what type of game LSU/USC would have been...not Oklahoma with a hobbled qb who couldn't win their Big XII title game. In '04, we saw a very similar year to 1996. So, did we regress? Were we going to become after 5 years an absolute power every season with Saban? Who knows? BUT...again, I end with did we make Saban or did he make us?

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He won't understand this logic.

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no. he'd probably rather average 10 wins over the last 5 season than average 9 and have a national championship.

Auburn has accomplished more than LSU over the last 5 years yet he's trying to squeeze LSU into the top 5 somehow while discounting what auburn has done because they had a winless regular sec season and ran their coach off following it. i'd easily trade places with auburn from 2010-2014 and gain a national championship and another sec championship, but that's just me.

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When does chilge's shift end and jax comes back on to work?

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Michigan State and Stanford are better arguments than Auburn is... And even those are weak. They each have virtually identical overall records.

Michigan State has one conference championship and one BCS bowl win... While playing in the B1G.

You could argue Stanford, who has two conference championships and two BCS bowl wins, and I won't argue if that's what you want. That said, they've gotten worse every year since Harbaugh and Luck left, so you might want to keep an eye on them

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St. is better than LSU with one exeption.. They have not had a chance to play in THE title game...

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Michigan State has gone 33-9 in the B1G... LSU has gone 30-12 in the SEC... Who is REALLY better?

You left out LSU because given the choice between a comparable B1G team, PAC-12, team, and SEC team, you favored the selection which eliminated LSU as a Top 5 team based on your own selective criteria.

Stanford never won a conference championship with Jim Harbaugh and Andrew Luck, shouldn't that be cause to leave them out?

In 2010, Michigan State was pounded by a worse Bama team than the one LSU faced en route to 49-7. Shouldn't that be cause to leave them out?

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eliminated LSU as a Top 5 team based on your own selective criteria.

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No I did that just to piss you off.....

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Please continue to embarrass yourself.

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I am not embarrassed at all.. And have NOTHING to prove to your punk arse...