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re: Another teen shot by cops in Missouri - close to Ferguson

Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:31 pm to
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:31 pm to
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They are to busy working and paying bills just like the rest of us.

I'm sorry. Blacks are practically a monolith on this subject right now. They may not be looting and they may be busy working BUT, even the folks that fall into this category are near universal in their rhetorical support for the protesters and their willingness to believe the most absurd shite in these cases. Basically, short of video showing the black guy squeezing the trigger, they fall into the "he's a good boy who didn't deserve to die" rhetoric.

Now, sure. I am one who is VERY dissatisfied with the police in recent years. But, even in the worst light possible, when presented with competing stories, I'm not likely to buy bull shite about some dude that committed strong armed robbery was a "good kid".

And the StrongSafety rhetoric about knowing so many white kids who've "done worse". Blah blah blah. He must run in some bad circles because among the people I grew up with, you might've chosen to act an arse but what Brown did was DAMNED uncommon to the point of non-existent.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33446 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:31 pm to
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Too many kids today have no morals, values, or respect for anyting


And yet teen pregnancy, drug use and crime are at multi-decade lows.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68322 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:32 pm to
What are you talking about? Poor behavior speaks like nothing else about a person's character. You must have mistyped that first line.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28126 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:40 pm to
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Right? I haven't been that engaged with many of the police shooting threads. I do remember him being a totally reasonable dude a while back though. I guess I just assumed he was the same.


I've lurked for quite a while. The guy is very bitter and has literally blamed white people for the world's major problems.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:44 pm to
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What are you talking about? Poor behavior speaks like nothing else about a person's character. You must have mistyped that first line.

It really has gotten comical.

When I was 18, if I'd been arrested for doing what Brown did, my dad would've probably let my arse sit in jail for a couple of days before bailing me out. And, when I got out of jail, I would be regaled with how disappointed he was and how he didn't raise me to be a thug(and yes, he'd have used the word thug). Bottom line, HE would've been humiliated by my behavior and you can bet your rat's arse that the words "good boy" wouldn't pass his lips for some time. I'd have a LOT of work to do to overcome that failing even if it was a one time deal. Moreover, not one of my uncles would've passed the opportunity to bitch me out for being an asswipe. Finally, you can bet your arse they would've been so embarrassed by it as to not talk to even their neighbors about their criminal son/nephew's behavior. And, I wasn' raised in some odd home. This describes pretty much every person I knew.

Now, let's be blunt. Brown didn't wake up that day and for the first time decide that type of behavior was OK. People don't tend to START with strong armed robbery.

Brown MAY have matured over time into a good person, but at the time he was killed, Brown didn't meet any rational person's definition of "good boy".

Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112682 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:45 pm to
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He must run in some bad circles because among the people I grew up with, you might've chosen to act an arse but what Brown did was DAMNED uncommon to the point of non-existent.


I highly doubt SS was anywhere near the hood growing up. Probably went to a Catholic school and has his own version of guilt.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
18664 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:53 pm to
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Probably went to a Catholic school


That would explain him saying that he was around some bad white boys that got away with everything
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:55 pm to
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That would explain him saying that he was around some bad white boys that got away with everything

And he keeps saying "got away with worse" and then mentions shite that no rational person would consider WORSE than what Brown is seen doing in the video.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42637 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:11 pm to
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Frankly, I think the cops should all just say "fine" and vacate black neighborhoods altogether. Basically go on strike in those neighborhoods.


This is what I wish could happen. When an entire community is willing to make up shite and outright lie to get you in trouble - and the powers that be would rather continue a 'conversation' with them than to call them out on their lies, then I would not be driven to risk my life for one second to 'protect and serve' such a dysfunctional bunch of shite-heads.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:20 pm to
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This is what I wish could happen. When an entire community is willing to make up shite and outright lie to get you in trouble
Exactly. I wouldn't want to be a cop in a black community at all right now.

Right now, you can pretty much expect escalated levels of violence towards you in such communities with the politicians totally ready to sell you down the river if you handle any of those situations with less than absolute perfection. Not to mention the fact that if there isn't DEFINITIVE video evidence, the community is just gonna believe flat out made up shite like in this recent case.

It's a recipe for getting oneself killed.
Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:26 pm to
2015 is going to be a close count between dead cops and dead civilians. It's going to rival the Wild West.

Have a Merry Christmas
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99127 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:28 pm to
The areas in which the police don't patrol can be called "Hamsterdam".
Posted by TOKEN
Member since Feb 2014
11990 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 2:30 pm to
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Hamsterdam


Up vote for Wire reference
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42637 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:02 pm to
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if you handle any of those situations with less than absolute perfection

And the determination of absolute perfection cannot be achieved in this climate. Regardless of what the criminal does, the cop must be able to predict all possible outcomes of all possible interactions. And the result can be second-guessed by anyone who refuses to believe the facts of the case at any point in time.

Cops have to make split second decisions which are sometimes imperfect in the opinion of someone who hates the cop to begin with.

Cops should let those communities rot until the population themselves start policing the criminal element - or at least standing whole-heartedly with those who are willing to go in and do the dirty work.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:08 pm to
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2015 is going to be a close count between dead cops and dead civilians.


No. It won't. It may be close between questionable shoots and dead cops. Like this year.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:20 pm to
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And the StrongSafety rhetoric about knowing so many white kids who've "done worse". Blah blah blah. He must run in some bad circles because among the people I grew up with, you might've chosen to act an arse but what Brown did was DAMNED uncommon to the point of non-existent.


You'd be surprised about how far that statement of yours is from the truth.

I've definitely seen kids do worse than take some items from
A gas station and escape with their lives and move on to be successful and productive adults.

All the kids at my university that used to steal and loot from our cafeteria would get punished with community service or with forced cleaning service of the university ground. College really just told me that the only difference between the privileged and the non privileged is resources to get out of trouble: mental health, education, health, etc.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:22 pm to
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What are you talking about? Poor behavior speaks like nothing else about a person's character. You must have mistyped that first line.


Should it be an the indictment and verdict of Browns character ?

Nah I disagree.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
18664 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:22 pm to
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I've definitely seen kids do worse than take some items from A gas station and escape with their lives and move on to be successful and productive adults.


I have arrested tons of the same kids that have gone on to productive lives. Guess what? They didn't resist arrest nor did they pull a gun on me.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:24 pm to
I don't see anyone here calling those kids thugs and TPOS when they drink and drive and kill their friends, Rob and loot from stores, committ credit card fraud, rape unconscious girls at college parties, etc. They usually just have the resources to run away or deal with their problems, and we as a society excuse them for it.

Can't see why we then why we are so quick to indict the characters of kids with less than those privileged kids
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 3:27 pm to
Bitter? How ? Far from it ?

I just think its asisine to ignore the root of some of the worlds problems. That doesn't mean the the sole reason of existing and current problems, but it gives it a back drop. Doesn't always excuse people from progress.

You guys just read what you want to rea
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