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re: Now that Conservatives claim that rhetoric is to blame for murders
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:39 pm to the808bass
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:39 pm to the808bass
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I do understand what homicide means. A couple of yall are struggling with it.
Homicide doesn't mean he dies of natural causes. It doesn't mean his death was accidental. It doesn't mean his death was suicide. It means he was killed by someone.
You can argue that the killing was justified. Lol. You can argue that it was accidental. You cannot argue that it wasn't homicide.
Actually, you can not argue "accidental" homicide. That does not exist. Manslaughter is a legal term, however.
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Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:42 pm to the808bass
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. You cannot argue that it wasn't homicide.
You are under the misconception that the determination that Garner's death was a homicide is dispositive of the issue of whether a crime was committed. It is not. Because it was ruled a homicide by the ME, there was a criminal investigation. That investigation resulted in a finding of no criminal conduct.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:42 pm to Asgard Device
The media forcing a narrative is to blame for the dead cops
Not Sharpton or rhetoric. . .they are byproducts of the media.
Not Sharpton or rhetoric. . .they are byproducts of the media.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:47 pm to BugAC
[ Actually, you can not argue "accidental" homicide. That does not exist. Manslaughter is a legal term, however. [/quote]
Louisiana has negligent and vehicular homicide. My guess is that all states have something similar.
Louisiana has negligent and vehicular homicide. My guess is that all states have something similar.
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:53 pm to Coach in Waiting
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If you voluntarily get in a fight and have a heart attack, the other guy did not kill you.
Wait. The cause of death was heart attack?
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:53 pm to Coach in Waiting
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You are under the misconception that the determination that Garner's death was a homicide is dispositive of the issue of whether a crime was committed.
You are under the misconception that I'm under that misconception.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:05 am to Asgard Device
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heart attack
As far as I know, the medical examiner never stated he had a heart attack. The medical examiner stated that heart disease and asthma were contributing factors but that he died due to the compression on his neck and chest.
Here is a picture of the compression in action.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:55 am to RunningWithScissors
Any prosecutor worth his salt could indict a ham sandwich.
The problem is African Americans are thought to be less than a ham sandwich.
It's ridiculous we haven't seen an indictment in Ferguson or NY because the DA is compromised since they have close ties to the police departments.
The problem is African Americans are thought to be less than a ham sandwich.
It's ridiculous we haven't seen an indictment in Ferguson or NY because the DA is compromised since they have close ties to the police departments.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:20 am to TOKEN
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problem is African Americans are thought to be less than a ham sandwich
I don't think it's racial at its core. I think cops divide society into "good guys" and "bad guys." And they do this in a moment. If you're a "bad guy," it really doesn't matter what happens to you. You're a "bad guy." Everything bad that happens to you is deserved. And the cop rhetoric surrounding these cases largely supports my thesis.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:25 am to TOKEN
Every DA in america has the same ties to police and they always will.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:33 am to baybeefeetz
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Every DA in america has the same ties to police and they always will.
So I guess we'll just keep letting police get away with whatever shite they want to get away with. Sounds like a plan.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:33 am to baybeefeetz
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Every DA in america has the same ties to police and they always will.
I know it, you know and black American knows it.
That's why it's time to change the system. Independent investigators/ attorneys must take over the DA in these cases. I think this is the reform most are looking for because the system is rigged.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:43 am to TOKEN
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That's why it's time to change the system. Independent investigators/ attorneys must take over the DA in these cases. I think this is the reform most are looking for because the system is rigged.
There may be merit to doing this, but Ferguson and Staten Island are not the cases to justify any change. The lessons to be learned from these cases is to not break the law and to not resist arrest.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:48 am to Coach in Waiting
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There may be merit to doing this, but Ferguson and Staten Island are not the cases to justify any change. The lessons to be learned from these cases is to not break the law and to not resist arrest.
Watch the Justice Department change the old system based on these cases.
You will also see mandatory cameras on police officers.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:49 am to the808bass
quote:That IS the plan. And it's working well.
So I guess we'll just keep letting police get away with whatever shite they want to get away with. Sounds like a plan.
And now that these two cops were murdered, which is tragic, the cop worship will be taken up another notch or two.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:52 am to JazzyJeff
. Describe for me the system whereby you get and PAY non-prosecutors to decide whether to prosecute cops and the try the cases. Think about it a while before you answer. You may come to tr conclusion that people have considered this shite before and it will do more harm than good.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 1:55 am to TOKEN
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Watch the Justice Department change the old system based on these cases. You will also see mandatory cameras on police officers.
You think the Justice Dept is going to change how State Criminal Justice systems work? It seems like it would be easier for them to go in like they already do and conduct their own investigation if warranted.
I'm not sure mandatory cameras are going to do what their advocates think they are going to do.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 2:50 am to Coach in Waiting
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I'm not sure mandatory cameras are going to do what their advocates think they are going to do.
Police body cameras have the potential to be an enormous fiasco. Everyone believes they will be a panacea. Time will tell.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 3:16 am to Asgard Device
People on both ends are so alike they don't even realize it. Both are hypocrites.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:14 am to Asgard Device
The original article which was the topic of this thread did not have all of Giuliani's quote. The former Mayor said it was going too far to blame Deblasio for the murders.
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