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re: Now that Conservatives claim that rhetoric is to blame for murders
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:55 pm to StrangeBrew
Posted on 12/21/14 at 10:55 pm to StrangeBrew
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If liberals blame guns for Sandy Hook, why does it hurt your brain that Conservatives see a link between speeches given and this act?
Because conservatives scoffed at the thought and said that anybody that believed it was mentally deficient and/or opportunists?
This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 10:56 pm
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Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:03 pm to Asgard Device
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Is it not also feasible that institutional racism and rhetoric from the right could also be blamed? Seems like for so long the Republicans were supposed to be about personal responsibility and were quick to denounce anyone who blamed gun violence on anyone other than the people who actually committed the crimes. Blaming guns was dumb. Blaming societal factors and agitators was dumb. Ultimately it was the fault of whomever the murderer is.
Already, people are jumping on this.
you stupid mother frickers
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:03 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:Why did he kill his woman?
Dude, the guy literally hashtagged about Brown and Garner in the social media post claiming he was going to "give pigs wings today." He then proceeded to murder two in-uniform police officers in cold blood. You're saying there was absolutely no connection? You're lying to yourself. I mean how blinded by ideology can you be?
There are so many other factors to consider. If not then you will also admit that Palin's rhetoric and visual aid are connected to Giffords shooting.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:04 pm to AlaTiger
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I am a conservative. I only blame the cop killer. HE is responsible for his own actions
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:06 pm to deltaland
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Garner died because he had health problems, not because the cop choked him to death.
Homicide.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:11 pm to the808bass
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Homicide.
No True Bill
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:14 pm to Coach in Waiting
Uh. Thanks. Saw that. Doesn't change that it was a homicide. I swear that in every single thread about Eric Garner someone tries to pretend he died of natural causes. It was a homicide. Meaning the cop killed him.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:20 pm to the808bass
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Uh. Thanks. Saw that. Doesn't change that it was a homicide. I swear that in every single thread about Eric Garner someone tries to pretend he died of natural causes. It was a homicide. Meaning the cop killed him.
It was a homicide, but a minimally culpable one. It's irresponsible to compare it to cold blooded murder. Not that you are by the way, but plenty of people are.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:21 pm to the808bass
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Uh. Thanks. Saw that. Doesn't change that it was a homicide. I swear that in every single thread about Eric Garner someone tries to pretend he died of natural causes. It was a homicide. Meaning the cop killed him.
That dude fought with the cops and had a heart attack. He was breaking the law. He knew he was breaking the law. He was told he was under arrest and he resisted. He never submitted to the arrest. The whole time he was saying get could not breathe, he was resisting. The grand jury did not indict the cops. The Mayor should have supported the grand jury verdict and told the protestors they were wrong.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:21 pm to the808bass
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This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:22 pm to Asgard Device
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I assume this means we can blame Bill O'Reilly for his 28 episodes of invective against "Tiller the Baby Killer" that eventually ended in the murder of Wichita abortion provider George Tiller by anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder. We can blame conservative talk radio for fueling the anti-government hysteria that led Timothy McVeigh to bomb a federal building in Oklahoma City. We can blame the relentless xenophobia of Fox News for the bombing of an Islamic Center in Joplin or the massacre of Sikh worshippers by a white supremacist in Wisconsin. We can blame the NRA for the mass shootings in Newtown and Aurora. We can blame Republicans for stoking the anti-IRS paranoia that prompted Andrew Joseph Stack to crash a private plane into an IRS building in Austin, killing two people. We can blame the Christian Right for the anti-gay paranoia that led the Westboro Baptist Church to picket the funeral of Matthew Snyder, a US Marine killed in Iraq, with signs that carried their signature "God Hates figs" slogan. We can blame Sean Hannity for his repeated support of Cliven Bundy's "range war" against the BLM, which eventually motivated Jerad and Amanda Miller to kill five people in Las Vegas after participating in the Bundy standoff and declaring, "If they're going to come bring violence to us, well, if that's the language they want to speak, we'll learn it." And, of course, we can blame Rudy Giuliani and the entire conservative movement for their virtually unanimous indifference to the state-sanctioned police killings of black suspects over minor offenses in Ferguson and Staten Island, which apparently motivated the murder of the New York police officers on Saturday.
We can blame conservatives for not wanting to pay ridiculous taxes, for rebelling against a police state and for liberating us from transatlantic oppressive rule. Thank God those men and women didn't grow up in this pussified culture.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:23 pm to Coach in Waiting
Just resisting arrest does not give the officers carte blanche authority to kill him. You're an animal if you propose otherwise.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:24 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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was a homicide, but a minimally culpable one
Don't make shite up and pretend you didn't make it up.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:26 pm to the808bass
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Just resisting arrest does not give the officers carte blanche authority to kill him. You're an animal if you propose otherwise.
If you voluntarily get in a fight and have a heart attack, the other guy did not kill you.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:27 pm to Coach in Waiting
Do you understand what "homicide" means?
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:28 pm to the808bass
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Do you understand what "homicide" means?
Do you understand what homicide means?? You want everyone who accidentally kills somebody to get locked up?
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:30 pm to Asgard Device
It's all disgusting, really. When you blame rhetoric, propaganda, and even religion for acts of evil, you dehumanize the offender. When a person does an evil thing, he does it not because of rhetoric, propaganda, or religion, but because he is an a-hole who needs to be put down. Some people suck. They do shitty things. It is dishonest to blame the rhetoric/propaganda/religion, and not the offender himself, for the offense.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:31 pm to the808bass
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ts Do you understand what "homicide" means?
Yes, and No True Bill.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:31 pm to the808bass
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This post was edited on 12/21/14 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:35 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
I do understand what homicide means. A couple of yall are struggling with it.
Homicide doesn't mean he dies of natural causes. It doesn't mean his death was accidental. It doesn't mean his death was suicide. It means he was killed by someone.
You can argue that the killing was justified. Lol. You can argue that it was accidental. You cannot argue that it wasn't homicide.
Homicide doesn't mean he dies of natural causes. It doesn't mean his death was accidental. It doesn't mean his death was suicide. It means he was killed by someone.
You can argue that the killing was justified. Lol. You can argue that it was accidental. You cannot argue that it wasn't homicide.
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