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Proposed Bill Would Require Women To Ask Men's Permission To Have An Abortion
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:29 pm
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A bill proposed by a Republican state lawmaker in Missouri would require a woman seeking an abortion to obtain notarized consent from the baby's father, even if he is physically abusive toward her.
The bill's sponsor, State Rep. Rick Brattin, told Mother Jones that while the bill has exceptions for rape victims and to protect the life of the mother, women in domestic violence situations are not exempt from having to ask the father's permission. "What does that have to do with the child's life?" Brattin said. "Just because it was an abusive relationship, does that mean the child should die?"
In explaining the bill to Mother Jones, Brattin channeled Todd Akin, the former Republican congressman from Missouri who, during a failed 2012 Senate bid, said that women who are victims of "legitimate rape" have mechanisms in their bodies that prevent them from getting pregnant. Brattin said his bill would require a woman to be able to prove that a "legitimate rape" happened in order to avoid having to ask for a man's consent for the abortion.
"Just like any rape, you have to report it, and you have to prove it," said Brattin. "So you couldn't just go and say, 'Oh yeah, I was raped,' and get an abortion. It has to be a legitimate rape."
Brattin said he was inspired to introduce the bill on December 3 for the next legislative session, but it has not moved yet in the Missouri House. He said he was inspired to change the laws around abortion consent because he was required to obtain his wife's consent before having a vasectomy.
There are no laws in the United States, however, requiring men to seek permission from women before having a vasectomy. Mother Jones notes that some individual medical providers in Missouri have a policy requiring the partner's consent. Elizabeth Nash, state issues manager for the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive health research organization, told The Huffington Post there are legal reasons some providers might require spousal consent.
"It could be that the physician is afraid of being sued," she said.
If Brattin's bill gains traction in the state legislature and becomes law, it will likely be blocked by the courts. The Supreme Court decided in Casey v. Planned Parenthood in 1992 that requiring a woman to notify her spouse before having an abortion is unconstitutional.
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:33 pm to StringedInstruments
Should not be legal to begin with, so anything making it more difficult to murder an innocent child is a good thing. In the case of rape, why should the child be murdered for the sins of the father? In what world is that fair? Not one I want to live in.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:35 pm to StringedInstruments
Republicans are getting nutty again. Must be getting close to primary season
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:36 pm to StringedInstruments
Fathers have no rights?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:39 pm to LeonPhelps
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In the case of rape, why should the child be murdered for the sins of the father? In what world is that fair? Not one I want to live in.
Then you better get busy dying, because that's the world you live in right now.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:40 pm to LeonPhelps
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Should not be legal to begin with, so anything making it more difficult to murder an innocent child is a good thing. In the case of rape, why should the child be murdered for the sins of the father? In what world is that fair? Not one I want to live in.
Well, it's very fortunately the world you live in, and you like it whether you know it or not. If I were to transport you to an alternate reality where an abortion had never been performed, you'd be begging to come back to this one instantly.
And let's not get into the rape baby shite again.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:51 pm to Bard
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Fathers have no rights?
Fathers have the right to pay child support, but not necessarily to, you know, SEE the child.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:52 pm to OMLandshark
I will never understand the liberal stance that murdering innocent babies is perfectly fine so long as the mother is not inconvenienced, but you better set up a convicted murderer for life with 3 meals a day, shelter, and clothing and don't even think about executing him.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:54 pm to StringedInstruments
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It has to be a legitimate rape."
They never learn.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:55 pm to LeonPhelps
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I will never understand the liberal stance that murdering innocent babies is perfectly fine so long as the mother is not inconvenienced, but you better set up a convicted murderer for life with 3 meals a day, shelter, and clothing and don't even think about executing him.
Who ever said I'm for that? If I was in charge, the aftermath of the Jerry Sandusky trial, I'd set him loose in the middle of a prison yard with the most violent offenders society has to offer, give him a tooth brush, and wish him the best of luck.
And inconvenienced? I really hope you're not referring to a rape case, since that is a pretty sickening POV if you have it with rape victims.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:55 pm to StringedInstruments
I found this story on Reddit by the way. Common response there is that this is bullshite because it's the woman's body and not the man's or the baby's.
I do think it's unfair that a woman can have an abortion without any say-so from the father, but it's not like a woman has to sign off on a man getting a vasectomy.
I do think it's unfair that a woman can have an abortion without any say-so from the father, but it's not like a woman has to sign off on a man getting a vasectomy.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:57 pm to StringedInstruments
Mother decides if the son if circumcised. Child has no say.
A women stops being pregnant after nine months. I'll never get my foreskin back.
A women stops being pregnant after nine months. I'll never get my foreskin back.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:57 pm to OMLandshark
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"Just like any rape, you have to report it, and you have to prove it," said Brattin. "So you couldn't just go and say, 'Oh yeah, I was raped,' and get an abortion. It has to be a legitimate rape."
fricking idiot from the same state. This is such stupid bullshite, since by the time it's proven, it will be at best case be month number 7 (to where she might as well go on and have it at that point), but more likely a year would have passed by then to where she would have had the kid. This misogynic POS should be tarred and feathered.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 5:00 pm to OMLandshark
No it doesn't take seven months. A rape kit is applied immediately. Forcible rape is unlike consensual sex and there is bruising and tearing. He's referring to an immediate medical examination.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 5:01 pm to genro
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No it doesn't take seven months. A rape kit is applied immediately. Forcible rape is unlike consensual sex and there is bruising and tearing. He's referring to an immediate medical examination.
OK, I thought he was implying a trial.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 5:01 pm to StringedInstruments
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I do think it's unfair that a woman can have an abortion without any say-so from the father, but it's not like a woman has to sign off on a man getting a vasectomy.
How about the unfairness that a woman can have a baby, but a man can't?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 5:09 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
I just love how it posits "vasectomy" as analogous to abortion. Tubal ligation is analogous to a vasectomy.
The equivalent of abortion for a man is abortion. Either a woman kills an unborn baby or a man does.
The equivalent of abortion for a man is abortion. Either a woman kills an unborn baby or a man does.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 5:10 pm to LeonPhelps
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Should not be legal to begin with, so anything making it more difficult to murder an innocent child is a good thing. In the case of rape, why should the child be murdered for the sins of the father? In what world
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