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re: Proposed Bill Would Require Women To Ask Men's Permission To Have An Abortion
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:25 pm to asurob1
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:25 pm to asurob1
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because it's so god damn hard for you to find a woman to breed with who wants a kid?
instead you want to force some woman who doesn't want kids to give birth.
I really try not to view this in the extremes you and the hardcore bible thumpers do. I think there is some middle ground on the abortion issue.
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:26 pm to StringedInstruments
I haven't read anything beyond the headline of this thread, so I am not directing it to anyone on this board:
This is a great bill if you are a gigantic pussy.
This is a great bill if you are a gigantic pussy.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:26 pm to Roger Klarvin
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This is (kind of) my point. People can say it is murder all they want, the fact is they very few if any actually believe that. If you genuinely believed babies were being murdered by the millions and all you did was bitch about it and support legislation to merely limit the number of dead babies, what kind of person are you? No, if I genuinely believed babies were being murdered day after day after day literally in my zip code, I would driving over there and physically doing everything in my power to stop it until I was arrested and physically kept from doing so. The very fact that people can throw support behind limiting the number of abortions is proof of how disengenuous the "abortion is murder" claim is. Now don't get me wrong, I loathe abortion. I just don't pretend its the same thing as killing a three month old.
Well the sanction of the law weighs heavily on the human psyche. Civilized societies have sanction abhorrent crimes of one kind or another all throughout history. The John Browns and abortion doctor killers of the world are regarded as psychos.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:33 pm to Navytiger74
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Well the sanction of the law weighs heavily on the human psyche.
I don't believe any law would prevent you from trying to stop a living, breathing person from being murdered in cold blood if you had the immediate power to do so.
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The John Browns and abortion doctor killers of the world are regarded as psychos.
Because nobody in society GENUINELY in their heart of hearts can convince themselves that abortion is the same as killing a baby. It may be abhorrent, but it is different. Because of this we recognize that killing abortion doctors is wrong.
Meanwhile, few if any would object to someone killing to protect the life of an actual infant. If I shoot someone who is about to stab a child, I'm a hero.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:33 pm to genro
quote:1. They already are. Instead of framing it as a right to privacy they say liberals want to kill babies.
Conservatives could push a "War on Babies" meme and it would be MORE VALID than the War on Women (still ridiculous though) Women aren't being killed, babies are. Ask an average woman about the war on women and she will laugh. You're basically defending the fact that Dems are resorting to base idiotic marketing strategies and fear-mongering.
2. War on women is valid. We have wars on drugs, poverty, etc. trying to twke control of a person's body is a war on them
3. Awesome. You line up with the average dolts. If I ask smart, educated women if they are worried about the direction certain conservs want to go and they will tell you they are concerned. And if I asked that of average women they would say the same.
4. Fear mongering. That is rich coming from your side.
Let me help you out. Abortion is legal. Anything you do to try and restrict it is a war.
Same way that conservs feel about gun laws.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:37 pm to BuckyBadger
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1. They already are. Instead of framing it as an obvious eugenics policy of infanticide, the say it's women's rights.
2. War on babies is valid. We have wars on drugs, poverty, etc. trying to take a baby's life is a war on them
3. Awesome. You line up with the average dolts. If I ask smart, educated women if they are worried about the direction certain libes want to go and they will tell you they are concerned. And if I asked that of average women they would say the same.
4. Fear mongering. That is rich coming from your side.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:42 pm to BuckyBadger
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trying to twke control of a person's body is a war on them
Complete nonsense, there are plenty of things that the federal government doesn't allow you to do to your body.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:44 pm to NC_Tigah
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mahdragonz, say hello to the 21st century. You would be able to verify 100% it was yours.
Do tell me what medical procedure that is used in the first trimester that can verify paternity.
And which of those isn't invasive or would force a woman to have an invasive test that would require her consent?
Because there's a lot of logic missing here that if a woman is so keen to abort a fetus that may or may not be mine and she will wait around to be forcibly tested.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:52 pm to mahdragonz
quote:Getting pregnant is invasive. She chose to do that. Now she has a child inside her that is biologically and legally only 1/2 hers. Yet she is allowed to kill that child, regardless of the child's legal, biological relationship to the father, because ...why? The procedure is "invasive?"
And which of those isn't invasive or would force a woman to have an invasive test that would require her consent?
A women getting her feelings hurt should not be placed above the life that biologically belongs to the father just as much as her
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:53 pm to genro
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A women getting her feelings hurt should not be placed above the life that biologically belongs to the father just as much as her
Then tell me how do you determine who the father is?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:01 pm to StringedInstruments
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Common response there is that this is bullshite because it's the woman's body and not the man's or the baby's.
Common stupidity there. Which one's body is having it's arms, legs and head ripped from it's body? And, pro abortion people are pissed at ISIS, good Lord.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:03 pm to mahdragonz
Perform the procedure as a matter of course whenever a woman requests an abortion. (Except in cases of rape) I'm no doctor, but I don't think the procedure has to be reperformed if multiple men claim paternity. A sample is a sample.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:05 pm to genro
What type of medical procedure would validate paternity?
I'm still waiting.
I'm still waiting.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:07 pm to mahdragonz
I don't know why you're waiting. I told you a few pages ago what to Google. That was nice enough of me. I'm not holding your hand anymore.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:14 pm to mahdragonz
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What type of medical procedure would validate paternity?
Is the internet that difficult to use?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:16 pm to asurob1
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I'm suggesting that no one gets to tell you...what you get to do with your body.
Get out of here with that common sense.
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:18 pm to genro
You told of a procedure that is done in the second trimester of a woman's pregnancy and is invasive.
You aren't even logical
A woman who wants an abortion will most likely not consent without a legal order. A man would be unable to prove paternity in the first trimester thus invalidating his claim to the fetus.
Should a woman be forced into medical procedures.
What part of this don't you grasp?
If your wife were pregnant do you reasonably think I should have the right to request paternity just to make sure it's not mine?
You aren't even logical
A woman who wants an abortion will most likely not consent without a legal order. A man would be unable to prove paternity in the first trimester thus invalidating his claim to the fetus.
Should a woman be forced into medical procedures.
What part of this don't you grasp?
If your wife were pregnant do you reasonably think I should have the right to request paternity just to make sure it's not mine?
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:20 pm to genro
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life that biologically belongs to the father just as much as her
nope
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:21 pm to Navytiger74
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Is the internet that difficult to use?
It must be... Because no one had answered and some people are saying it does exist...and I am saying it doesn't exist.
Is Google going to prove something that doesn't exist suddenly exist?
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