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re: Police Admit Armored Vehicles Are for Fighting “Constitutionalists” With Guns

Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:25 am to
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29475 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:25 am to
No shite. I saw the pic in the other thread of the armored track vehicle with the 50 cal. mounted on the top. Ridiculous.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:32 am to
a shielded fully automatic .50 cal is fricking unstoppable. On top of an armored vehicle? Jesus Christ.

lets say constitutionalist stockpiling weapons was a problem, that sort of escalation is unimaginable...seriously, this is why every American should own guns, and this is why every responsible American should have one of these "evil, nasty, killing machines" they call "assault rifles"

maybe it's your kids' kids, but the government is a constant threat

they push for legislation against us, and yet these imbeciles are allowed to have this...what makes them any different than us, more responsible, and why would they have a greater need

more civilians are murdered than cops, why? cops have guns...just pisses me off after reading mike lupica's latest bullshite
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 11:33 am
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30288 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:40 am to
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Perhaps he was trying inartfully to refer to more radical groups like Sovereign Citizens?



I've youtubed a sovereign citizen arguing with a judge and trying to take over a courtroom with his arguments.

The jist that I got from the sovereign citizen was that he, as a sovereign man declared that the law does not apply to him anymore.

Wouldn't that mean that the law doesn't protect him anymore, too?

You can't have it both ways, right?

Example.

Sov citizen: a man punched me in the nose. I want to file a report.

Cop: Cool, what's your name?


Sov citizen:I dont have to tell you Nuthin. My name's chad, No more no less.

Cop: Are you one of those quirky sovereign citizens?

Sov citizen. Yup.


Cop: Caint help ya man


-----is this about right?



Also, I see polarization within the ranks of sovereign cits. But what is talks opinion,? Lib or conservative or delusional?




Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
40971 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:56 am to
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I dont think you realize how many LEOs are 2nd amendment supporters and hate the fed govt.


Dead on with every cop I know personally.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:58 am to
I have one cop friend and he fits that description, but he also agrees the police are a huge problem
Posted by okietiger
Chelsea F.C. Fan
Member since Oct 2005
40971 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 12:17 pm to
My best friend is a cop and he thinks the government hired hits on Chris Kyle, Keith Ratliff, and John Noveske.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11891 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 1:17 pm to
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Police Admit Armored Vehicles Are for Fighting “Constitutionalists” With Guns


I know this is only one cop's statements but anytime someone talks about those "crazy tea partiers" or "crazy libertarians" or someone else who supports freedom I ask this:

When has any one of these individuals ever done anything radical and killed a bunch of people? All mass shootings I can think of have been perpetrated by democrats.

It's like friggin Minority Report - if you have the capability to commit a crime with these tools, we'll take them from you so you won't even though we have no idea what your intent is.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9945 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 2:21 pm to
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When has any one of these individuals ever done anything radical and killed a bunch of people?


I think several of the sovereign citizens wackos have shot at and killed cops.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11891 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:40 pm to
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I think several of the sovereign citizens wackos have shot at and killed cops.



Give me more than "I think" if you actually have a source. I don't mind being proven wrong.
Posted by MahiFishn
NOLA
Member since Aug 2011
536 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 3:56 pm to
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Give me more than "I think" if you actually have a source. I don't mind being proven wrong.


I'm too busy right now to look it up, but there was a Police Chief's son who was a cop that was killed by a father and son driving a mini van. I've seen the video many times.

ETA: I looked it up. Jerry and Joe Kane were the shooters, later found to be part of the sovereign citizen group.
This post was edited on 12/17/14 at 4:06 pm
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9945 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 4:54 pm to
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Give me more than "I think" if you actually have a source.

Forbes Article
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
8963 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 5:59 pm to
For all you ".50 cals are unnecessary" folk, what would you do if you were an LEO that got called to a gas station for a man that refused to leave, and when you get there you see that he has a .50 cal rifle under a trenchcoat?

That exact scenario happened to my father many years ago during his days as an LEO. I would rather the police have the same fire power, or even more, to fight what they will face.

I don't know about you bunch of idiots, but I ain't going into a fight with nothing when the other guy has brass knucks and a buck knife.
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
11451 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 6:42 pm to
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For all you ".50 cals are unnecessary" folk, what would you do if you were an LEO that got called to a gas station for a man that refused to leave, and when you get there you see that he has a .50 cal rifle under a trenchcoat?


If he engaged maybe a .308 to the chest from 300 yds?
Posted by LongueCarabine
Pointe Aux Pins, LA
Member since Jan 2011
8205 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 7:14 pm to
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and when you get there you see that he has a .50 cal rifle under a trenchcoat?


I want to see the MF'er and his trenchcoat if he can hide say, a Barrett M82 under it.

He'd have to be the height of Shaquille O'Neal to hide it.

LC
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11891 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 8:48 pm to
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NOFOX


Good info.

I will say though, that labeling "sovereign citizens" as the #1 enemy is exactly what they want to do. Despite the fact that there are incidents of a few FAR over-the-top extremists, the numbers are still quite insignificant statistically.

The #1 threat of police in this country is a very disorganized and widespread group - repeat offenders. Why do they make these pro-freedom extremists seem SO much more awful than criminals who commit crime on a daily basis? One quick glance at FBI crime statistics tells you exactly where crime is concentrated and who is committing it. These "extremists" would not even be on the charts.

Again, I get back to my original point that the VAST majority (over 99% from a numbers perspective) of pro-freedom Americans are not a threat at all. Just because someone possesses a few ARs and a few thousand rounds of ammunition does not mean he or she will use them for bad things. Period.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:31 pm to
I'll say it again. The main threat in this area is terrorism. Just look at what percentage of import / export comes through S.La, Southeast Texas. The refineries up and down the river. All could be targets.

I don't pretend to know counter terrorism Intel but I've been to training on some of this equipment received on homeland security grants and they sell the threat pretty well. The one reoccurring theme is there isn't a federal quick response force to meet these threats when they occur so they need locals to be able to step in.

One example of this is JTF7. All parishes along the river are part of a task force and each equipped with identical Safe Boats. Deputies trained through Coast Guard with the intent that in case of an emergency you don't have 6 coast guard guys running one boat ( a full crew) and instead can put one on each boat with a crew of equally trained deputies and now you have 7 boats on the water.

Not once in all training I've attended has the word "constitutionalist", "right wing" , "tea party" or any similar been mentioned.

If, and that's a big IF, all the hype of locals enforcing federal confiscation of guns ever comes to reality here, you'll see LEOs jump ship and join ranks with with other defenders in mass numbers.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11891 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 9:34 pm to
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FelicianaTigerfan


Interesting info.

quote:

Not once in all training I've attended has the word "constitutionalist", "right wing" , "tea party" or any similar been mentioned.


I agree. That's why I think the article is just trying to sensationalize.

quote:

If, and that's a big IF, all the hype of locals enforcing federal confiscation of guns ever comes to reality here, you'll see LEOs jump ship and join ranks with with other defenders in mass numbers.


I also agree. Confiscation assumes:

1. LE would be willing to confiscate

or

2. Military would be willing to confiscate

Both are largely pro-constitutional groups and would not turn on the citizenry.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80779 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:34 pm to
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TTT they are coming for your ammo stockpile...

NEVARRRRR
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80779 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:45 pm to
Explain to me the mass gun confiscations during Hurricane Katrina.

I've been told first hand accounts of caucasian individuals who had to hand over their legally owned firearms or face arrest during the weeks following the storm. A lot of people never got their guns back.

Those doing to confiscations were LEO I believe.
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
4099 posts
Posted on 12/17/14 at 11:50 pm to
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For all you ".50 cals are unnecessary" folk, what would you do if you were an LEO that got called to a gas station for a man that refused to leave, and when you get there you see that he has a .50 cal rifle under a trenchcoat?

That exact scenario happened to my father many years ago during his days as an LEO. I would rather the police have the same fire power, or even more, to fight what they will face.

I don't know about you bunch of idiots, but I ain't going into a fight with nothing when the other guy has brass knucks and a buck knife.



Really?



Do you think there are somehow degrees of dead and if he can kill you .50 caliber dead, and you only kill him .308 dead he's somehow won?

This is the part where I keep typing out something and then deleting it because saying what I'm thinking right here would be really bad.

It's not a dick measuring contest. Law enforcement in this country has ZERO legitimate reasons for an APC mounted .50 cal. And I'm not sure they should have APC's either for that matter.

Let me put it this way... A little old lady that lives next door to your .50 cal toting daddy could blow him away tomorrow morning over coffee if it ever came to that. If you think weaponry and armor is the way to go in enforcing your will on the public you're begging for that public to realize you're the problem and deal with you accordingly. And if you don't grasp that lesson really soon, there's going to be consequences for cops who aren't ignorant tools and should have quit before it went that far. As for the one's like that idiot in the video, people often get what they deserve so maybe he's got a point in being so terrified of the law abiding.
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