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re: ISIS gunmen take 20 hostages in Sydney Cafe
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:13 am to genuineLSUtiger
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:13 am to genuineLSUtiger
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It would be a form of guerilla warfare. And the good 'ol boys have a lot more firepower than just a few handguns laying around.
Okay, I'll play along with this ludicrous scenario for the sake of argument. Guerilla wars are at best holding actions, and they never, ever succeed without outside assistance. So what foreign power do y'all plan to ally with? Russia, China? And what parts of North American will you let them take over in exchange for their help?
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:15 am to Jim Rockford
Mexico. Checkmate
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:20 am to Malik Agar
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ISIS gunmen take 20 hostages in Sydney Cafe
Well no one (including ISIS) has taken responsibility for this. Not sure you can claim it to be ISIS just yet.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:08 am to Lou Pai
quote:I like this new guy!
Lou Pai
An eloquent, articulate man who uses facts and logic instead of conjecture and personal insults. Must be a conservative.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:12 am to Jim Rockford
quote:Where you and the other moron asurob1 are wrong is your presumption that the military and police forces would actually be against armed citizens and not with them.
Okay, I'll play along with this ludicrous scenario for the sake of argument. Guerilla wars are at best holding actions, and they never, ever succeed without outside assistance. So what foreign power do y'all plan to ally with? Russia, China? And what parts of North American will you let them take over in exchange for their help?
That's when we round up all you leftist and ship you off to France.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:50 am to Malik Agar
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Yay multiculturalism
Australia has some of the strictest immigration laws in the world.
They are not getting overrun by Muslims.
Hopefully their special forces take these scum out.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:51 am to REG861
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PC multiculturalism allowed a bunch of Pakistani men to rape hundreds of children in Scotland because the spineless authorities were worried about offending their customs.
No different than Catholic priest doing the same thing. Shits fricked up.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 5:36 am to bhtigerfan
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Where you and the other moron asurob1 are wrong is your presumption that the military and police forces would actually be against armed citizens and not with them. That's when we round up all you leftist and ship you off to France.
So you don't actually want freedom. You want tyranny with your side in charge. Gotcha.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 6:54 am to Jim Rockford
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They're currently in the forefront, but they're far from unique.
in terms of modern society, it's pretty much them and the violent buddhist leaders of myanmar
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:21 am to SlowFlowPro
sorry I'm late to this shite show, boys...but I'm in!
Now...we were talking about guns?
Now...we were talking about guns?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:23 am to AbuTheMonkey
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Do you have any idea how difficult it is to take on a heavily armed civilian population even with our military? We're still fighting these motherfrickers in both places after more than a decade of slogging it out.
Youre comparing US Citizens who are armed to Islamic militants? Are you willing to drive a car bomb into groups of military personel? These are the tactics used by the people we are fighting. There is something that the dreaded Obama could do or say that you would find so unacceptable that you would leave your family and home for a suicide mission? I get a little pissy around tax time when I have to pay, but I'm not gonna die for it.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:02 am to NHTIGER
It's unfortunate that the news cameras got a clear look at him but he wasn't taken out by snipers.
I am guessing that the bombs aren't real or are extremely crude. I don't believe the story of two bombs in some random place downtown. But you gotta take all precautions.
I am guessing that the bombs aren't real or are extremely crude. I don't believe the story of two bombs in some random place downtown. But you gotta take all precautions.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:14 am to Lou Pai
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From a broadly historical/marco perspective, are you really willing to argue that the objectives of al Qaeda, ISIS, the Boston Marathon Bombers, and the 1972 Munich terrorists are all that different?
I dont need to argue that for my statement to be true. Muslims do not perform 95% of terrorism. Not. Even. Close.
Ive pointed this out dozens of times: south and Central America have rates of violence and terrorism that dwarf the middle east and Islamic groups. We just dont get inundated with news about "terrorists" unless they are muslim.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:16 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Youre comparing US Citizens who are armed to Islamic militants? Are you willing to drive a car bomb into groups of military personel? These are the tactics used by the people we are fighting. There is something that the dreaded Obama could do or say that you would find so unacceptable that you would leave your family and home for a suicide mission? I get a little pissy around tax time when I have to pay, but I'm not gonna die for it.
American counter-insurgency policy generally stipulates that you need about 1 soldier for every 50 civilians in the population to be successful. Do the math on that - you're looking at a ground force of about 6,000,000 considering the US population, and that's without any defections and desertions. We currently have an active duty ground force (Army and USMC) about 1/10th that size, and only about 20% of that force are ground-pounders or combat arms.
It would take months and years for the military to scale up, and it'd be fighting a theoretical insurgency that is much better-educated and would probably be much better-equipped than the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I live in Chicago, and when I look at the cityscape and geography here and imagine trying to fight here compared to Baghdad (where I did fight), it gives me nightmares.
Your question about willing to drive a car bomb into military personnel is a silly one. We have it great here, but if things ever got bad enough to where there was a real, legitimate insurgency or revolution, then there would be plenty of people willing to inflict extreme violence. Will and motivation are everything, and desperate situations like that will escalate the willpower of a theoretical insurgency. It has nothing to do with a particular president or set of policies.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:17 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Go frick yourself, you bitch. Way to stand in solidarity with your anglo-saxon brethren down under. Eat shite.
Seriously?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:36 am to Jim Rockford
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Guerilla wars are at best holding actions, and they never, ever succeed without outside assistance. So what foreign power do y'all plan to ally with? Russia, China? And what parts of North American will you let them take over in exchange for their help?
This is an extreme over-simplification.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 9:44 am
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:38 am to MrCarton
Police just stormed the cafe. It's over. Several people hit
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:40 am to Malik Agar
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Yay multiculturalism
They have a big problem with it over there in Australia but I think they are starting to wake up to that fact.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:48 am to mmcgrath
At least 2 people are confirmed dead. I am guessing one was the nutcase hostage taker. Supposedly he was out on bail for trying to hire someone to kill his wife and at least one sexual assault. They have video of him standing on a street corner by himself holding up a sign saying that he was tortured. May as well have read "The End Is Near."
Posted on 12/15/14 at 9:49 am to mmcgrath
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At least 2 people are confirmed dead. I am guessing one was the nutcase hostage taker. Supposedly he was out on bail for trying to hire someone to kill his wife and at least one sexual assault. They have video of him standing on a street corner by himself holding up a sign saying that he was tortured. May as well have read "The End Is Near."
Nope. Impossible.
I heard he was ISIS.
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