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Omer Asik ain't pretty but

Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:30 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 8:30 am
He's very effective on defense.

He's currently the #4 Rim Protector in the league.

FG% at Rim on starters who have played at least 10 games and defend at least 5 attempts per game LINK :

Andrew Bogut 38.5%
Roy Hibbert 38.5%
Tim Duncan 41.9%
Omer Asik 43.0%
Serge Ibaka 43.4%

He's 10th in the league in rebounding at 10.5 per game and 4th among starters in rebounds per 36 minutes behind:

Andre Drummond 14.4
Tyson Chandler 14.3
DeMarcus Cousins 14.2
Omer Asik 13.5
DeAndre Jordan 13.2

When he's on the court opposing teams score 99.8 pts per 100 possessions. When he's off the court they score 111.0. That's an 11.2 point difference. On the defensive side of the ball it's pretty clear he's elite.

Yes he's frustrating to watch, there are so many rebounds that he almost has and so many easy shots at the rim that he almost makes. If he had 10% bigger hands and 10% more explosion he could average about 3 more rebounds per game and at least 6 more points. But he's a net positive, 0.8 combined offense/defense on/off, and he's an effective defender that lets AD do his MVP thing instead of getting beat on in the post.

BTW, Robin Lopez is averaging just 7.1 rebounds in the same 27 minutes that Asik is averaging 10.5 in. He's also #19 in rim protection at 48.5% and the Blazers actually allow 1 more point per 100 possessions when Lopez is on the court vs. Asik's 11.2 points less.

To be fair Lopez' better offensive skills gives him an overall better on/off net rating of 3.5 vs. Asik's 0.8, but we need defense and rebounding from our center, not scoring. This team scores well enough, it gets into trouble when it can't get stops.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:05 am to
It's kinda sad that you actually had to make this thread for some people on this board
Posted by suavecito80
Member since Apr 2014
2869 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:09 am to
I love the pick up of Omer. He is the perfect complement to AD. Not sure why people are upset with him.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32373 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:19 am to
Apparently he was supposed to score 15 pts per game while shooting 60%.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12719 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:23 am to
quote:

It's kinda sad that you actually had to make this thread for some people on this board


+1

danman (a normally reliable poster) has gone off the rails with the Asik hate. I think Monty is literally going to drive us to insanity on this board. It takes a lot of mental fortitude to be a Pels fan.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71968 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:23 am to
The Asik Effect
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115468 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:25 am to
If we had good/great shooters at the 2 and 3 to compliment Jrue/AD/Omer, no one would notice Omer's lack of offense.

Jrue to set things up and play D, wing shooters to space the floor, AD to do his thing, and Omer to clean the glass and defend the rim. That's a lineup.
Posted by suavecito80
Member since Apr 2014
2869 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:35 am to
If only Monty and Demps could see this. Add some bench depth and this team would be nice.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115468 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 9:43 am to
I didn't get the Tyreke signing at the time and I still don't get it now. It made NO sense for this roster, and it still doesn't.

If you can turn his contract into two adequate to good shooters at the wing, that would be a win.

They must sign/acquire a good wing shooter this offseason.

shite, maybe you could trade Gordon to Philly for Jason Richardson's corpse. They are tanking next year too I'm sure, maybe they could use some salary.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9758 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:32 am to
quote:

BTW, Robin Lopez is averaging just 7.1 rebounds in the same 27 minutes that Asik is averaging 10.5 in.


Well it's a good thing we are only paying Asik triple what Lopez makes.

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:40 am to
quote:

Well it's a good thing we are only paying Asik triple what Lopez makes.


This is the last year on that coming off an injury make good contract. They'll be much more comparable in price after next season. And in terms of cap figure the current comparison $6.1 vs $8.3.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 10:42 am
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
40925 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:41 am to
Comparing the two is laughable.
Posted by danman6336
Member since Jan 2005
19439 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:48 am to
quote:

He's currently the #4 Rim Protector in the league.
Is that worth 10-12 million a year?

Donatas Motiejunas ain't much worse according to the chart. Maybe we should pursue him for 1/4th the price next year.
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:55 am to
quote:

danman (a normally reliable poster)

quote:

Donatas Motiejunas ain't much worse according to the chart. Maybe we should pursue him for 1/4th the price next year.
case in point
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 10:57 am
Posted by Gtothemoney
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
17713 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:06 am to
I asked this last night in the game thread. Is there a contested rebounds stat? If so, how does Asik fare in that cat?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115468 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:14 am to
Motiejunas is going to get paid a lot if he keeps up his current level of production.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:26 am to
quote:

Is there a contested rebounds stat?


Yes.

quote:

If so, how does Asik fare in that cat?


He is tied for #7 at 4.9 contested rebounds per game LINK

1 Tyson Chandler 5.8
2 Anthony Davis 5.6
3 DeMarcus Cousins 5.5
4 Andre Drummond 5.3
5 Tim Duncan 5.1%
6 Joakim Noah 5.1
7 Zach Randolph 4.9
8 Omer Asik 4.9
9 Jordan Hill 4.7
10 DeAndre Jordan 4.6
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:28 am to
quote:


Donatas Motiejunas ain't much worse according to the chart. Maybe we should pursue him for 1/4th the price next year.


I haven't watched Houston this year so it may be a completely legit stat for him, but I'd be pretty surprised if that's the direction he's gone. He was supposed to the next "The Next Dirk".
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 11:29 am
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32373 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:31 am to
quote:

quote:
He's currently the #4 Rim Protector in the league.
Is that worth 10-12 million a year?


Yes, yes it is.
Posted by whoknows1390
nola
Member since Jul 2014
1672 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 11:35 am to
Of all the bad fits on this roster, Omer is not one of them. How quickly some forgot what it looked like to have the steamer out there with AD.
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