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re: A reality check to actual LSU fans

Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:35 am to
Posted by LSUERDOC
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:35 am to
Again, the coaches attempt to put schemes together to match up with the opposing team's abilities. AJ and BH do not have the ability to read teams like Bama/Aub/Ark defensive schemes pre=snap/post-snap which leads to poor offensive output. This is here coaching should come in play during the game to make dynamic changes to the game plan. This has not been very successful during Miles' tenure.
Teams like ATM do not have the defensive minds calling the shots, nor the level of talent, so the QBs can make more plays so the coaches open up the playbook.
Miles' philosophy is to do just enough to win and this oftentimes comes back to bite him in the end in games where his scheming doesnt go as planned.
Regardless, we certainly have a better record than I predicted...the coaches deserve some credit for this. How many coaches in the SEC would only have 4 losses with this team? Saban would probably have done better given his history of getting the most our of his players.
Posted by cheo25
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2004
984 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 7:59 am to
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The reality is we have just as many if not more legitimate questions about the QB position going into 2015 than we did in 2014. Based on intangibles, you have to have a QB who can dig you out of 2-3 games a year. I have seen nothing to support AJ can do that.


Great points.

To the OP, a transition year is acceptable if you make progress at critical positions. The most critical position is quarterback, and if you think the QB position has progressed through 12 games, then your football IQ is below zero.

If anything, QB regressed at the end of the season. They had a whole offseason to get Jennings and/or Harris ready, and they're not there. What gives you confidence they'll be ready in 2015, especially given this head coach's hideous track record of developing quarterbacks?

Alabama plugged in a new quarterback this year and has one loss. Fifth-year senior (who didn't play much at QB the last four years), but first-year coordinator. Auburn plugged in a JUCO QB last year with a new head coach and was less than a minute away from winning a national championship. Anthony Jennings was on the team last year, so he had time to get ready in this LSU system. Citing his inexperience is a lazy excuse used by a Miles supporter who is clinging to anything he can find to keep supporting this joke of a head coach.
This post was edited on 11/28/14 at 8:01 am
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Member since Jan 2011
22071 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:05 am to
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What gives you confidence they'll be ready in 2015, especially given this head coach's hideous track record of developing quarterbacks?

2012 Mett to 2013 Mett. Cam showed a QB can improve in his system; AJ will not throw for 3,000 yes, but he will improve.
Posted by trooploop
Member since Feb 2013
831 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:06 am to
LSU played the first, second, and third ranked scoring defenses in the country this year and six in the top 25. I'm sure that had a lot to do with some of the struggles.
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:08 am to
I wish we could bump the thread after the Auburn game where I got hammered for saying LSU would still finish 7-5 or 8-4. MANY of our loyal ranters were claiming 4-8 with a shot at 5-8...that we were the worst team in the SEC and would likely go 0-8.....The reality is that we finished most likely in the top half of the conference, around 6th or 7th.....not great, but considering how we started.....

However, the issue is that we still do not have a qb....and until we get one that can consistently complete a 10 yard pass without getting the rec killed....we will struggle along the lines we did this year. Jennings isn't the answer, despite all of you now saying we should have been running those plays all year. A&M blows against the run......that won't work against better defenses.
Posted by TigerEggs
NOLA
Member since Nov 2009
622 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:11 am to
I don't agree with anything you just said.

And also, in a rebuilding year you should be getting the backup QB more reps especially if he is splitting 50% of the practice reps.

It's going to be the same song and dance next year when Harris barely beats out AJ in spring ball... "He's young".
This post was edited on 11/28/14 at 8:13 am
Posted by Mr. Tom Morrow
Cosmic Ray's Starlight Cafe
Member since Jun 2012
6847 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:11 am to
It's always next year, young team, NFL factory, rebuilding year, blah blah blah. Great coaches still make it happen. We've been hearing this drum beat for years and it's gotten old.
This post was edited on 11/28/14 at 8:13 am
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
10315 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:13 am to
I like AJ as a Tiger, but not as a SEC caliber QB based upon what he has shown to this point. His lack of development during the season is disappointing and the staff has done a poor job in bringing him along and/or game plan to the few things he does well. Even after watching last nights game, I am not sure that AJ's 100+ yards rushing are the result of good game planning specific to what AJ does well or just the end result of what we knew we could do to expose a porous A&M run defense.

The lack of any consistent ability to throw the forward pass is a cause for continued concern in 2015. I know many on here rag Miles for his handling of Harris, but clearly something occurred in the Auburn game (or in additional practices) that spooked the hell out of Miles. Hopefully, Harris will get a full look heading into next season.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:17 am to
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can find to keep supporting this joke of a head coach.


Les is a better LSU coach than you are an LSU fan if you see 103-28 playing in the SEC as a joke!

I hope you are not bringing children into this world if that statement is an example of your intelligence!

I don't know of anyone who claims Les to be the best coach in college football, but frick we have some stupid fans. That is, if you are even an LSU fan!
Posted by winston318
Oklahoma City,OK
Member since Sep 2009
3175 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:34 am to
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Les is a better LSU coach than you are an LSU fan if you see 103-28 playing in the SEC as a joke!

I hope you are not bringing children into this world if that statement is an example of your intelligence!

I don't know of anyone who claims Les to be the best coach in college football, but frick we have some stupid fans. That is, if you are even an LSU fan!


How is someone a bad fan because he doesn't like the coach? Anyone who can't see that LSU is getting left behind is a bad fan.
That record is fine but if you break it down we are a little above average.
We are no longer in the mix as a dominant SEC West team. We always say that our league is the best so we accept 3-4 losses. We need to judge our program by winning the SEC West first. So I understand LSU fans not giving a damn about the past. Right now going forward we are the 3rd or 4th best team in the division so deal with it.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
18660 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:48 am to
The sunshine pumpers will still support Miles and the negatigers will still find fault no matter what he does.
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:50 am to
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rmftrtr



dude seriously, go poison some trees and let real LSU fans handle team discussion


did you not see the TITLE?

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actual LSU fans
Posted by timm6971463
oakdale la
Member since Mar 2008
4361 posts
Posted on 11/28/14 at 8:53 am to
You rantards do realize games are played for player developement so coach had to pass as well to run and it is hard to deveope two young players at the same time !
This post was edited on 11/28/14 at 9:50 am
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
57447 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 2:11 am to
Wow, I was so drunk I forgot I have this thread

I'm actually shocked at the amount of intelligent responses, I figured people would slam me for my grammar or shite typing due to an iPhone autocorrect. Congrats on the few that didn't allow the tiger rant to become fully disabled.

And to this guy
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Miles' philosophy is to do just enough to win and this oftentimes comes back to bite him in the end in games where his scheming does


You can't be dense enough to really think this is how Les makes his game plans right??
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 2:15 am
Posted by BigTiger80
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
1178 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 3:31 am to
I believe 2 big concerns have to be exodus of 3rd year players to the NFL and our lack of a passing game.

No school loses as many players early as we do. Something is just not right as Alabama generally has the top recruiting class if not one of the top classes and doesn't lose nearly the number of players that we have. That hurt us in 2013 as the defense was not very good the first half of the season.

Granted, guys like Mingo, Reid, PP, Landry and OBJ are going to leave early and would have been stupid to stay. But some of these guys are drafted late or don't get drafted at all. I don't know what the answer is but if we lose 6-7 players this season (Vadal, Hawkins, Hunter & Mills will likely leave) that will not be good.

I give Jennings alot of credit for taking responsibility and working hard but he simply is not a QB capable of giving us a chance to win the SEC. I don't know what to think about Harris. It seems to me either he has an attitude problem or he hasn't worked hard enough to learn the offense. Jennings must look better in practice. Yet, It's apparent the coaches have no faith in him throwing anything but a long bomb down the sideline or a simple short pass (at times he struggles with that). This is on Miles that we are in this predicament and I don't see us being any better on offense next season if Jennings is the starter behind perhaps just one returning O-line starter.
This post was edited on 11/29/14 at 3:33 am
Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
Member since Jan 2004
15648 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 6:03 am to
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Posted by ItNeverRains
The reality is we have just as many if not more legitimate questions about the QB position going into 2015 than we did in 2014.

Based on intangibles, you have to have a QB who can dig you out of 2-3 games a year. I have seen nothing to support AJ can do that.

I agree. Less confident about the qb than ever. And that's saying a lot. Jennings really is one of the worst LSU qb's I can remember. It's amazing howMiles has managed to frick him up even worse this year.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39105 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:12 am to
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And also, in a rebuilding year you should be getting the backup QB more reps


And you know this because you've seen most of the great coaches do it - like the way Saban keeps taking Sims out and putting the backup in.

I've been watching football for almost 50 years. I've seen all the great coaches - Shula, Bryant, Bowden, Paterno, Lombardi, Saban, Switzer, Landry - in college and the pros, and NONE OF THEM have placed the least bit of emphasis on getting backups into games. They've all understood that practice time is adequate to learning the position, and that preseason in the pros, and cupcakes in college, will give these kids all of the game experience they'll need. It's only stupid fans who place importance on that.
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14089 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:22 am to
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I originally figured LSU would have at worst a 6 loss season


Is that what we are asked to pay for?
Posted by PapaPogey
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
39422 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:38 am to
LSU will never win another title with Les at the helm, I guarantee you that.
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 11/29/14 at 7:53 am to
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Anthony Jennings was on the team last year, so he had time to get ready in this LSU system.


This is my concern. How is AJ not able to read defenses by now?
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