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re: What is your advice to this manufacturing worker?
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:24 pm to Asgard Device
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:24 pm to Asgard Device
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Screw that guy. In the new Anerica he makes "too much" and is a failure for having a blue collar job.
As opposed to: You are an employee and we don't guarantee your job or your wage.
"Here is what we pay for OUR open position. You are free to leave it open"
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
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So your advice is for a 49 year old to move across the country to work at a gas station?
if he's failed to save properly and make adjustments to the market to make his labor more valuable? yes
why do we have to give advice to a person who has already made 30 years of poor economic choices for the long-term? sometimes people have put themselves in such a hole that drastic things like moving a long distance for work is all that can be offered. it's not some absurd notion
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Working harder also implies working smarter. If a man has been in mfg for more than 20 years and is going backward, there's far more to the story.
This.
There's more to it than we know about. Otherwise, this guy is an extreme outlier.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:28 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Hell, he could go work at a gas station and make more than $10.50 an hour. And no, I'm not exaggerating. Baytown, Tx:
So your advice is for a 49 year old to move across the country to work at a gas station?
Raising his wage is only going to drive more work elsewhere. And I'm going to say I doubt his story. He sounds skilled yet makes what a Walmart associate makes. He's FOS.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:31 pm to MSMHater
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How long does trade school take? Pipefitter, welder, electrician, instrumentation tech, plumber, HVAC, etc...
4-5 years... Pipefitter/plumber here in BR would start at $14-15/HR + health insurance.... thats a first year apprentice.... over $26/hr + pension and health insurance after 5 years....
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:44 pm to tigeraddict
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Posted by tigeraddict
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How long does trade school take? Pipefitter, welder, electrician, instrumentation tech, plumber, HVAC, etc...
4-5 years... Pipefitter/plumber here in BR would start at $14-15/HR + health insurance.... thats a first year apprentice.... over $26/hr + pension and health insurance after 5 years....
This part is true. Local 198. Not sure if they take just anyone though. I think they selectively recruit and fill quotas.
eta: skilled trade pays more where he lives but I'm assuming there is limited supply of openings. Hell, pipe fitters and welders make $50/hr with even better benefits in Ilinois. Good luck getting hired on though.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:47 pm to Big Scrub TX
Learn to weld and move to the Dakotas.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
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So your advice is for a 49 year old to move across the country to work at a gas station?
If he has no other skills, sure. At least he may could run the place some day.
Maybe he should look into a real trade, with an apprenticeship. Still may have to move but there's obviously nothing for him where he is now.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:56 pm to MSMHater
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I think their is a significant difference between blu collar labor and SKILLED blue collar labor. Sounds like this guy was essentially a laborer. How long does trade school take? Pipefitter, welder, electrician, instrumentation tech, plumber, HVAC, etc... None of them are making $10.50.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:59 pm to Big Scrub TX
So this article was a lie?
LINK
LINK
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President Obama's policies have helped manufacturing companies grow. Ritenauer, along with Lorain councilman Tony Richardson, and David Smith, vice president of operations at Camaco, had a press conference at Camaco yesterday as part of the Obama reelection campaign's "Made in Ohio" manufacturing tour. Ritenauer said around the world, there are countless numbers of manufacturing products from Ohio. But, he said, it is not just about the products that Ohio makes, but the people who work in these jobs and work for their family.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:59 pm to Big Scrub TX
1. He's morbidly obese.
2. I lift 35 pound weights for two hours a day for free. It's light. It's fun. And I'm a lot older than that fat arse.
3. I walk miles a day for free. It's called golf. He's a pussy.
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“The work is very strenuous. It’ll wear you down,” said Mr. Shelly, who loads 35-pound tubs of parts on pushcarts and then walks miles every day delivering them.
2. I lift 35 pound weights for two hours a day for free. It's light. It's fun. And I'm a lot older than that fat arse.
3. I walk miles a day for free. It's called golf. He's a pussy.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:16 pm to Zach
he should stay where he is and not worry about the decrease in mfg that started some 30 years ago ...
seems to have worked out well for him ...
seems to have worked out well for him ...
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:22 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
My dad told me all the time, "You can never pay someone what they are worth. You pay them what the job is worth."
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:24 pm to Aubie Spr96
Your dad was a very wise man.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:26 pm to Aubie Spr96
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"You can never pay someone what they are worth. You pay them what the job is worth."
That's a great quote. I may have to borrow it at times with some of my employees.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:28 pm to Big Scrub TX
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So your advice is for a 49 year old to move across the country to work at a gas station?
When was 40 and lost my 40K job, as a chef at the end of 2010, I chose to re-evaluate my options. I went back to school and got an AOS degree in wind technology and I had a job one week after graduating. I had to move to the West Texas desert, 50 miles south of Odessa, now I make over $24 and am paying off my school loans and putting money away in savings.
So yes, you have to go where the jobs are, the job isn't going to come to you.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:29 pm to Big Scrub TX
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So your advice is for a 49 year old to move across the country to work at a gas station?
Not necessarily, but I was just saying there are many jobs out there that pay more than what he is making. All he seems to be doing is "whoa is me". Screw your degree (we know what that is?), screw your union and get up off your arse and go where the money is.
5905 jobs off of my first google search and you can't tell me there's not one in there that pays more than $10.50/hour that he can't go get.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:39 pm to MSMHater
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Sounds like this guy was essentially a laborer.
How long does trade school take? Pipefitter, welder, electrician, instrumentation tech, plumber, HVAC, etc...
None of them are making $10.50.
Right. The guy's situation is tough because of his age, but I'd advise him to complete the Associates he says he went to school for, after making sure it's a useful skill. Honestly, I wonder what he was even learning, considering what it looks like he's actually doing.
If he's not far along in the training he might consider switching to something like welding. But if he's where he is after working for so long, odds are he's not ever going to work himself into the upper-middle class.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:41 pm to Zahrim
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I had to move to the West Texas desert, 50 miles south of Odessa
Slightly off topic, but have you by chance been to Hobbs or Carlsbad, New Mexico? If so, what's your take (in regards to the energy industry)?
Posted on 11/24/14 at 4:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
My advice would be to move and find better work.
Sounds like he had a good job and gave that up to get a degree, which was a risk he took and it didn't pay off. Decisions have consequences. He could double down and go get a bachelors and hope that makes him a more attractive hire, or he could move to where there is better work.
I have friends here in MS who work on the river barges and who moved to Tx/LA to work on pipelines or offshore rigs and make over 50k a year, and none of them went to college or are particularly skilled.
Sounds like he had a good job and gave that up to get a degree, which was a risk he took and it didn't pay off. Decisions have consequences. He could double down and go get a bachelors and hope that makes him a more attractive hire, or he could move to where there is better work.
I have friends here in MS who work on the river barges and who moved to Tx/LA to work on pipelines or offshore rigs and make over 50k a year, and none of them went to college or are particularly skilled.
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