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re: First year my family doesn't get the flu vaccine
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:38 am to Dam Guide
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:38 am to Dam Guide
quote:
Go troll somewhere else, Jenny McCarthy.
Don't tell me where to troll!!
And my opinion on the matter is every bit as valid as yours is. Just because you've done "research" and can quote "studies", it doesn't mean you know more about the topic. I'm pretty sure needles cause autism.
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:41 am to LucasP
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:42 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Your link isnt' working
Based on your first link, I bet you will just write off anything from the CDC or anything else I post for that matter.
H1N1 being the major strain last year is fact. You can look that up anywhere. I suggest you research for yourself on the age group it seems to effect more, because I am sure any link I post will just get immediately written off by you and your Canadian Huffington Post knowledge.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 8:43 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:45 am to Sir Drinksalot
quote:
No I am not. That was last year. I already said I have no idea if it's the same strain but it's a scary thought.
I don't believe for 1 second that 13 healthy people died from the flu last year in Baton Rouge. That would be national news.
Old people die from the flu. that's about it.
even kids dying is rare, and there have been kids every year that die that received the shot.
100 kids died last year from the flu. How many were kids with healthy immune systems, i don't know, but 90 percent didnt' get the shot.
34 died the year before.
there's 85 million kids in this country.
about a 1 in a million chance they die from the flu.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:46 am to LucasP
It isn't the needles that cause autism.
It is the tiny bits of autism fairies they use in vaccines.
We could use other stuff instead, but dammit if those ground up autism fairies don't make the vaccine taste so much better.
It's a risk we are willing to take.
It is the tiny bits of autism fairies they use in vaccines.
We could use other stuff instead, but dammit if those ground up autism fairies don't make the vaccine taste so much better.
It's a risk we are willing to take.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:50 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:52 am to Dam Guide
quote:
Based on your first link, I bet you will just write off anything from the CDC or anything else I post for that matter.
no i wouldn't
I would love to actually see some real data and research on the flu. I've looked and didn't find much.
I don't want to see it from someone with an agenda, which i'm sure my links had too.
I'm not interested in how the flu affects 60 year old people. I don't want to hear it killed 28,000 people, and 27,875 were over the age of 65.
I"m interested in how it affects young kids, and then healthy adults. I want that data, not that data that throws out big numbers b/c senior citizens are dying from it.
100 kids died last year
38 the year before.
200 something the year before that.
I want to know more about those kids that died.
I'm not totally against the flu shot, my wife and kids get it. I've never had the flu, never had a flu shot. I've never known anyone healthy to die from the flu, or know someone that knew someone that knew someone.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:53 am to TeddyPadillac
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I would love to actually see some real data and research on the flu. I've looked and didn't find much.
I just google searched H1N1 Healthy People and H1N1 Young People and found a ton of links from last year on it. It was all over the news last year for young healthy people to get the shot as well. That's why I remember it.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 8:55 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:54 am to TeddyPadillac
Read my cdc link. It's from last feb ab the previous flu season.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 8:55 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:57 am to htran90
The flu vaccine doesn't wave a magic wand and make one immune from the flu. On a good year (if scientists predict the correct strands of flu to vaccinate against) the shot lowers flu risk by 50-60%. If a strand pops up that is not covered by the vaccine, the vaccine is useless.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 8:59 am to thesoccerfanjax
quote:
You sure are worked up over this.
Must work for a drug rep company and isn't happy everyone isn't buying in to their money making scheme.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:00 am to Sir Drinksalot
not to be a dick but look at some of the things in that link that are intended to lead you to believe the flu is dangerous for 18 year olds.
First of all, they gave %'s, not a single number was given anywhere.
Secondly, don't group 18 year olds with 64 year olds.
They make that seem like young people were in the hospital more.
ALl they gave was hospitalization %'s and grouped 18 year olds with 64 year olds. You ever been to the ER b/c you had an actual emergency? How many dumbasses are in there b/c they have cough and no insurance and don't want to go to work, if they have a job?
That's not data i give a shite about.
I want data specifically on these age groups.
0-2
3-5
6-12
13-18
19-25
25-40
40-50
50-60
60+
First of all, they gave %'s, not a single number was given anywhere.
quote:
age 18-64 represented 61 percent of all hospitalizations from influenza—up from the previous three seasons when this age group represented only about 35 percent of all such hospitalizations
Secondly, don't group 18 year olds with 64 year olds.
They make that seem like young people were in the hospital more.
ALl they gave was hospitalization %'s and grouped 18 year olds with 64 year olds. You ever been to the ER b/c you had an actual emergency? How many dumbasses are in there b/c they have cough and no insurance and don't want to go to work, if they have a job?
That's not data i give a shite about.
I want data specifically on these age groups.
0-2
3-5
6-12
13-18
19-25
25-40
40-50
50-60
60+
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 9:02 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:00 am to TeddyPadillac
Wash your hands often > Flu shot. /thread
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:03 am to TeddyPadillac
Ok
Idk dude. I like percents?
I think they are lumping into broad categories to let everyone know they should be careful bc no one is immune. I think the main idea is clear; it's not like it used to be with just old people dying from the flu.
You don't have to believe it if you don't want to.
Idk dude. I like percents?
I think they are lumping into broad categories to let everyone know they should be careful bc no one is immune. I think the main idea is clear; it's not like it used to be with just old people dying from the flu.
You don't have to believe it if you don't want to.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:07 am to Sir Drinksalot
quote:
I think the main idea is clear; it's not like it used to be with just old people dying from the flu.
I think there should be smaller range than 18-64. What conclusion can you really draw from that, ecially with only percentages?
I think there should be at least one more division in that range, and ideally probably two.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:10 am to LNCHBOX
Yes but really we stay healthier and hardier into our 40s and 50s than ever before. So it's not like you have two extremes on either side.
You can concur that it's not just old and fragile people dying from h1n1.
You can concur that it's not just old and fragile people dying from h1n1.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 9:11 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:14 am to Scruffy
quote:
It is the tiny bits of autism fairies they use in vaccines.
That's awesome.Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:15 am to Scruffy
quote:
It isn't the needles that cause autism.
Typical uneducated answer from a pro-vac person. Just look at the autism rates among heroin users and diabetics. If it's not the needles (which are made of lead, magnesium and other heavy metals) then what is it?
quote:
It's a risk we are willing to take.
It's people like you who hate children and make this a world a terrible place. You're worse than Hitler.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:15 am to Sir Drinksalot
quote:
Idk dude. I like percents?
what do they even mean though?
Did these people actually have the flu, or flu like symptoms?
biggest thing with that is, you can't lump 18 year olds with 60 year olds and give data to scare the 18 year old.
if the number was simply 18-50 i'd feel better about it.
This is what i'm talking about though in researching flu data. They seem to only give data that fits their agenda of making everyone take the shot.
It is difficult to find actually data on a breakdown of age groups and who actually died from the flu and not from something else bothering their immune system at the time.
Why would a healthy 18-40 year old with no kids need a flu shot? They don't. But if they don't, someone misses out on some money.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 9:15 am to Sir Drinksalot
quote:
Yes but really we stay healthier and hardier into our 40s and 50s than ever before. So it's not like you have two extremes on either side.
You can concur that it's not just old and fragile people dying from h1n1.
60's is still pretty old. I'd like to know how many people lumped into that giant range are at the upper end of it. Otherwise, it's kind of useless. Especially without an actual number attached to it.
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