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re: Pelicans 109 VS Kobe Bryant 102 / Final / Official Game Thread
Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:22 am to LosLobos111
Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:22 am to LosLobos111
Jrue's a scoring point guard who liked to run a lot of ISO at Philly, there's really no debating that. As for Gordon, yeah, he's playing off the ball a lot more than he has ever before and because of it, he's likely going to post his worts PPG and FG% numbers in his career.
This goes back to my previous point about how little thought Demps has put into this roster. At their best, Jrue, Reke and Gordon need to be on a team where they have the ball more than anyone else on the team. There's a reason why Jrue had an all-star season the year after Iggy left Philly,
Essentially, with those three making up our backcourt, we are tying one hand behind each of their backs.
I'm doing the exact opposite of complaining about a 25/12 night. I'm saying his efficiency warrants him many more touches than he gets.
This goes back to my previous point about how little thought Demps has put into this roster. At their best, Jrue, Reke and Gordon need to be on a team where they have the ball more than anyone else on the team. There's a reason why Jrue had an all-star season the year after Iggy left Philly,
Essentially, with those three making up our backcourt, we are tying one hand behind each of their backs.
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He's so efficient at scoring that's not needed. Maybe a couple of more shots but why complain about 25/12 a game with the highest PER in the modern ERA?
I'm doing the exact opposite of complaining about a 25/12 night. I'm saying his efficiency warrants him many more touches than he gets.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 1:34 am
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Posted on 11/13/14 at 1:41 am to LosLobos111
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We have his bird rights and by all accounts he likes it here. We could easily keep that pick too,even if we don't who cares about an 18th pick?
Houston signed him before Dwight and gave him the starting job and he played extremely well. Dwight show came to town and he was tossed to the side like the orphan boy.
Last year he had a bad attitude because he wants to be the starter and he wants to be an important piece of the team's future and success.
Orphan boy or not, I think as this team grows, he'll grow to love it here and he knows he's a big part of the success if we do continue to improve game by game.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 1:44 am
Posted on 11/13/14 at 5:45 am to LosLobos111
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Reke has played at a near all star level
Not really
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Gordon has been taking outside shots and playing outside D so he's fine without the ball.
He hadn't been shooting well outside, though. He has looked good in the rare event that we let him initiate offense. Early in last night's game, Gordon was leading the offense more than he has all year. He was very efficient and got 5 assists in the first 5 or 6 minutes.
Gordon and Holliday are not ball dominant only because of Tyreke's presence.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 5:51 am
Posted on 11/13/14 at 6:30 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Not really
He's averaging a 17/7/7. That would probably get him in the All Star game. Why are we talking about blowing up the roster just as we're starting to look like a team that could do something?
Posted on 11/13/14 at 6:58 am to BobBarker
depends on what position they have him as on the ballot.
he probably won't get voted in by fans for SG
Kobe
Harden
Klay
will take those slots
SF…maybe? but likely not
he probably won't get voted in by fans for SG
Kobe
Harden
Klay
will take those slots
SF…maybe? but likely not
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:02 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Early in last night's game, Gordon was leading the offense more than he has all year. He was very efficient and got 5 assists in the first 5 or 6 minutes.
I thought Gordon did a good job on Kobe last night defensively. My opinion might be affected by how bad Babbitt was, but seemed like Gordon was in his face most of the game and didn't give him a whole lot of room to get clean shots off.
My first Gordon compliment of the year btw.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:38 am to Broski
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Broski
Jrue & Reke aren't the problems.. The flaws with this roster begin and end with Eric Gordon... 14 mill tied up into a guy who's prob only worth 3-5. Demps built this roster knowing Gordon comes off in 2016.. Once he is off the books then we will see what kind of team he puts together. Really no time to panic because a core of AD, Asik, Ryno, Reke, Jrue, &(a legit SF and/or a lot of depth for EG's contract) could win a championship. Really all depends on what is acquired in the parenthesis, but the foundation is there.
I really don't think you understand Jrue's game or basketball.
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There's a reason why Jrue had an all-star season the year after Iggy left Philly,
Yeah that's the main reason, it had nothing to do with the fact that he was entering his 3rd season where he was drafted after one year of college. Or the fact that the east has no pg depth. Maybe it could have been because he was a real bright spot on a terrible team?
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At their best, Jrue, Reke and Gordon need to be on a team where they have the ball more than anyone else on the team.
This is simply wrong.
You can make all the arguments you want about reke and Gordon needing the ball but throwing Jrue in so that it looks better when you crush Demps is asinine.
BTW this ball hog offense that is so flawed is currently 5th in assists per game at 23.4 & first in assist/turnover ration at 2.19.. The ball is moving very nicely.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 7:58 am to novowels
I know those 3 3s he stroked in the first quarter were all with gordon on the bench.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:45 am to BobBarker
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He's averaging a 17/7/7.
His scoring has been inefficient. His 16.3 ppg come on 16.4 attempts per game. He has been decent, but he isn't making any all star games at the rate he's going.
Interesting note, he has been by far most effective shooting in catch-and-shoot situations. When he creates his own shot, which hsppens too frequently, it's often very ugly.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:48 am to Broski
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you improve the team then if you have no draft picks and refuse to part with your 5 best players?
If Gordon opts in and the NBA smoothes the salary cap next off season, you stretch Gordon and hope he signs a contract worth 5/mil per year. Therefore your cap hit is only 3.3 mil per year for three years. That would leave about 60 mil on the books for next season including:
Asik-12.5m
Holiday-11m
Tyreke-10.7m
Ryno-8.5
AD-7m
Plus cap holds or salaries from:
Miller-1m
Babbitt-1m
Withey-1m
Ajinca-1m
Smith-1m
Young-1m
Plus Gordon's stretch number:
Gordon-3.3m
If the NBA does smooth the cap will be between 70-75m, which means the Pels would have between 10-15 mil to sign a quality SF, if Rivers resigns for 3 mil that number would go down to 7-12, but still a substantial amount.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 8:59 am to Broski
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AD doesn't get nearly enough touches that he should because he's mostly running with Jrue, Evans and, to a lesser extent, Gordon
First, to the logjam/imbalance. Turn Gordon into a 3 and D SF, start but stagger Tyreke so he plays more minutes with the 2nd unit and Ryan Anderson (those 2 make each other better) and you solve most of the roster flaws.
As for Jrue and AD not mixing, I don't think it's as bad as you're saying. AD is leading the team in shots with 18.0 per game which puts him 9th in the league above guys like James Harden (17.8) and Kyrie Irving (17.3) and within spitting distance of LeBron, Steph Curry and LaMarus Aldridge, all who are between 18.3 and 18.7 FGA. LINK
I think there's a role/scheme issue. One of the maddening things about Holiday is that when he goes to the basket he seems to get there with relative ease, he just doesn't attack that often. He also has a killer off the dribble mid range jumper. From a skill set standpoint we should be running Jrue/AD pick and rolls pretty much every play. Do you stay home on AD or give Jrue an easy jump shot?
The only players I think should be untouchable unless we're really winning a trade are AD/Asik/Anderson The other parts can be replaced, but I don't think they are inherently bad fits either.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
Thoughts from last nights game.
This team cannot afford to have Babbitt play more than 3 mins a game. Im serious. I'll go as far as to say if he isnt released by February we are in bad shape. Whatever that fricking strategy of sending him in early and then bringing Reke back in to run with the 2s was so stupid it hurt.
7 games in, I give the "Know Your Place" award to Rivers. This kid gets exactly what the team needs from him. He plays good D. He is an assist first guy. He waits until it is necessary for him to make a move. He shoots when the rhythm of the play calls for it. Very pleased with him so far.
This team cannot afford to have Babbitt play more than 3 mins a game. Im serious. I'll go as far as to say if he isnt released by February we are in bad shape. Whatever that fricking strategy of sending him in early and then bringing Reke back in to run with the 2s was so stupid it hurt.
7 games in, I give the "Know Your Place" award to Rivers. This kid gets exactly what the team needs from him. He plays good D. He is an assist first guy. He waits until it is necessary for him to make a move. He shoots when the rhythm of the play calls for it. Very pleased with him so far.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 12:52 pm to Athletix
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Yeah that's the main reason, it had nothing to do with the fact that he was entering his 3rd season where he was drafted after one year of college. Or the fact that the east has no pg depth. Maybe it could have been because he was a real bright spot on a terrible team?
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I really don't think you understand Jrue's game or basketball.
Irony
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BTW this ball hog offense that is so flawed is currently 5th in assists per game at 23.4 & first in assist/turnover ration at 2.19.. The ball is moving very nicely.
I never once said Jrue is a ball hog. You need to go back to reading comprehension 101, champ.
I said, at his best, Jrue needs the ball in his hands a lot. He doesn't get that in his system. He's done a good job adjusting to his role, but the system we run doesn't unleash his full potential as a player.
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 11/13/14 at 12:53 pm to Epic Cajun
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If Gordon opts in and the NBA smoothes the salary cap next off season,
People need to stop with this. He's not opting out.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 12:57 pm to Broski
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People need to stop with this. He's not opting out.
Smoothing also isn't the panacea it's made out to be. It sounds like what the league wants to do is artificially lower wages by giving extra money directly to the players union rather than to teams to raise the salary cap. It didn't sound like the players were going to go for it.
I still think a buyout is a legit option if Gordon gets out of this slump. That only requires him taking $10 million from us and getting a better than MLE contract on the open market.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:06 pm to Broski
You can also blame doug collin's system in philly for some of jrue's issues as well.
When he finally took the shackles off,he broke out.
Jrue has done just fine this season.
When he finally took the shackles off,he broke out.
Jrue has done just fine this season.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 2:18 pm to LosLobos111
15.1 ppg
2.4 rpg
6.6 apg: 1.6TOV
He's shooting 43.8/29.6/100 as well. He's right where he should be on his fg% (career 43.8), but 8% lower than his career 3pt average (37.4). About 20% higher on his FT, but he only shoots 2/game so 80% would make him drop to 14.7ppg. He's also shooting 3.9 3pt/game up from his career average of 2.7. Give him the normal 37% shooting from 3 and he's putting up an extra 1 ppg.
His Ast:TO ratio is 4.18, which would rank him 3rd to CP3's 8.0, and Ronnie Price's 4.38.
and some guys are complaining...
2.4 rpg
6.6 apg: 1.6TOV
He's shooting 43.8/29.6/100 as well. He's right where he should be on his fg% (career 43.8), but 8% lower than his career 3pt average (37.4). About 20% higher on his FT, but he only shoots 2/game so 80% would make him drop to 14.7ppg. He's also shooting 3.9 3pt/game up from his career average of 2.7. Give him the normal 37% shooting from 3 and he's putting up an extra 1 ppg.
His Ast:TO ratio is 4.18, which would rank him 3rd to CP3's 8.0, and Ronnie Price's 4.38.
and some guys are complaining...
This post was edited on 11/13/14 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 11/13/14 at 3:14 pm to LosLobos111
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Jrue has done just fine this season.
Never said he hasn't.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 4:10 pm to Broski
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People need to stop with this. He's not opting out.
Can you read bro? I said if Gordon opts in, then gave a scenario that could play out.
Posted on 11/13/14 at 4:27 pm to Epic Cajun
There are some pretty decent options at SF this offseason, so negotiating a buyout with Gordon if he doesn't opt out (LOL) might be the only play we have.
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