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re: What can republicans do to get back to their great success in the 1980s?

Posted on 10/25/14 at 9:44 am to
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/25/14 at 9:44 am to
Republicans need to go back to what they stood for in the eighties. It resonated with a lot of people.

When was the last time you heard a republican leader talk about basic conservative changes?

Why are they afraid of things like balanced budgets? private retirements systems? less war? smaller government? less regulation?

These things appeal to a lot of people of every sex and race.

Who doesn't benefit when the government takes less from them?

Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34867 posts
Posted on 10/25/14 at 9:49 am to
Mass deportations!

Unqualified abortion!

Guaranteed, unqualified government wage/subsidization for all the unemployable illiterates.

Total removal of the God paradigm (accountable soul for personal moral belief/action) from Government. Which WILL shape the Culture.

Open borders. Multicultural idealism on steroids! 'Give us your tired, uneducated, diseased, gangsta-minded opportunists, Commies and radical Islamists'. Love unlimited! "Behold, there is a way that seemeth right unto man, but the end thereof is destruction" (Biblical).

The above is a surefire way for the Republicans to *win*...and the recipe for Mother Nature to set things back on the common-sense 'straight and narrow'.

Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67006 posts
Posted on 10/25/14 at 9:58 am to
The republicans need to work on their communication skills and on unifying their message. The republican message is disjointed and often contradictory. It is often communicated in a style that creates false perceptions of bigotry, mysogeny, xenophobia, elitism, callousness, and anti-intellectualism. While the democrats and left-leaning media may do a great job of framing comments and disseminating them, republicans do themselves no favors in making ignorant sounding statements.

What the republicans need to be is a party that at least seems to consistently mean what they say while speaking to a consistent philosophy of individual liberty, small government, accountable government, and efficient government.

They can win on these ideas by actually trying to start conversations with voters. Stop trying to scare them, stop writing off demographics as "leaches" or "sub-classes". Just talk with people, not at them. Speak with belief and conviction, with enumerated policy as the manifestation of that belief. It can be done.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111498 posts
Posted on 10/25/14 at 10:04 am to
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Perhaps acting like republicans of the 80s. Reagan would be a RINO today.

And you still wouldn't vote for him.

The "I'm a fiscal conservative but a socially liberal voter" is the most hilarious construct of the Internet message boards.

Hey, Mr. fiscally-conservative-but-socially-liberal, do you support Obamacare?

Yes.

Did you support the stimulus?

Yes.

Can you name a single government program which should have its budget reduced?

The military.

Ok. I think we're done here.
Posted by JT
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2006
377 posts
Posted on 10/25/14 at 10:07 am to
Not much is necessary. They just have to avoid big screw ups.

Reagan (not without his faults ie deficit spending) hit it out of the park in many ways, but he was lucky in a sense the he had Carter tee things up for him by doing so horribly that the next guy was going to look better no matter what.

Same situation here.

Do something with healthcare that will put job creators more at ease and you might see a sharp spike in economic growth. Nothing speaks to the American public like a strong economy. Ride that tide and convince enough people that you had something to do with it and you will be remembered as one of the great ones.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
18139 posts
Posted on 10/25/14 at 10:26 am to
quote:

What can republicans do to get back to their great success in the 1980s?


become Libertarians..


next problem you'd like me to solve?
Posted by BuckyBadger
Member since Aug 2014
740 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 4:34 am to
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And you still wouldn't vote for him. The "I'm a fiscal conservative but a socially liberal voter" is the most hilarious construct of the Internet message boards. Hey, Mr. fiscally-conservative-but-socially-liberal, do you support Obamacare? Yes. Did you support the stimulus? Yes. Can you name a single government program which should have its budget reduced? The military. Ok. I think we're done here.
The question wasn't how the GOP could get me to vote for them. It was about returning to their great success. And you completely whiff on what I'm talking about despite me effing cluing you in by calling him a RINO.

Maybe I would. Maybe I wouldn't. But, Reagan amnestied a bunch of illegals. Naw, that kind of action/policy couldn't help make inroads in the Latino community. Lol

You do realize their are plenty of independents that are completely turned off by the extreme far right of the GOP. Guess what, you don't get to call 1980s Reagan as fiscally conservative. That is just mind boggling ridiculous.

In the 80s the GOP and reagan were happy. Happy warrior. Look around. Nobody in the GOP seems happy. Angry, pissed off, dour, mean, whiny, etc. the GOP of the 80s wasn't just politics it was the culture. It was an attitude. And the culture has changed. There are no more Republican Party reptiles. There is nothing fun about the party.

Lastly, you really don't know anything about me. So, writing screeds based on nothing seems kind of dumb. And the hubris you exhibit is astounding. Thinking you know what motivates each voter. But, I will say that in order for me to vote for the GOP the party would have to return to the 70s. When the party wasn't beholden to the RR and taking about one's religion was considered tacky.

It is kind of sad that you think you know so much when I'm from the state of Tommy Thompson and Lee Dryfuss.
Posted by Layabout
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2011
11082 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:31 am to
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I think Republicans have to get fricking mean when it comes to criticizing Dems.

Yea, they need to take off the gloves and stop pussy-footing around.

Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:46 am to
quote:

Posted by Message BuckyBadger What can republicans do to get back to their great success in the 1980s? Perhaps acting like republicans of the 80s. Reagan would be a RINO today.



This!!!

Reagan and Daddy Bush would both find it hard running to win the GOP nomination today.....and when they did (Romney managed to do so) the base of the party would not turn out to elect them because they would not be conservative enough. And the nomination process would force them to at least more or less ignore some pretty disturbing shite coming from the real republicans in the primary which would lead to moderates turning a deaf ear to the RINOs message. Y'all can pretend that it is ignorance and dependence all you want but the truth is that as y'all weed out the Bachmans and the Palins and the Cains and the Gingriches there are a bunch of moderates who are turned off to whatever message y'all have.

There is also the failed economic policies of the GOP that have proven time and again to be bad ideas...but very few voters are aware of this and rely more on shoe trappings under toilet stalls and stupid people saying stupid shite like a rape victims body will reject a pregnancy.....

The GOP is in great shape considering.....their demise has been way over stated. We will see just how badly a national party (Dems) fare when a regional party (GOP) is determined to do what they can to impact issues. The GOP has done an astounding job to this point...winning the Whitehouse would mean the GOP would have to actually make things work and they have proven time and again that this isn't their cup of tea.....the GOP is in great shape, unfortunately.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112410 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 9:51 am to
quote:

What can republicans do to get back to their great success in the 1980s? (


Nothing.
America is destined to drift into more socialism than we already have. The decline cannot be stopped.

I'm reminded of a scene in Catch 22:

Old Italian Man to US Soldier: "Do you think America will last forever?"

US Soldier: "Of course."

Old Man: "Forever.....is a very long time."
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29115 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 10:05 am to
quote:

Old Italian Man to US Soldier: "Do you think America will last forever?"

US Soldier: "Of course."

Old Man: "Forever.....is a very long time."


Well said.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25174 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 1:36 pm to
Run a candidate who actually has a shot of getting elected President is pretty much it. Politics shifts from left to right all the time. Find a candidate who can be elected in a national election and unless they are just bat shite crazy as far as their policies you are in good shape.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4962 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 2:01 pm to
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asurob1



Please go jump off into the Grand Canyon, Please.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4962 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 2:23 pm to
First of all, lets look at the US Presidentail candidates that got beat.

George Bush I. Rode in the WH in 1989 on the coat-tails of Reagen. A patriot and WWII vet BUT he was an old stuffy candidate that got bested by a slick talkiing hillbilly from Arkansas.

Bob Dole, no doubt a good man. A patriot & a WWII vet who served out country honorable. BUT another old stodgy man. Again, he got bested by a silver toungued slim bag.

John McCain. A man who served our country under the most difficult circumstances. A man who wore the countries uniform and help out under the worst circumstances. Was out done by a slick talking racist coummunist.

Mitt Romney. Probably a good man and one heck of a business mind and leader. Probably would have been a very good President. BUT was kind of a stuffy guy * didn't communicate well. Once again, the GOP candidate was bested by a slick talking con artist.

Do you see any similarities in the failed GOP candidates?

Most were probably good men and would have been good presidents.

BUT they were not good communicators and allowed the enemy to define them.

Until the the powers that be at the GOP get this through their thick skulls, the GOP is going to be shut out of the WH.

Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112410 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 2:41 pm to
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BUT they were not good communicators and allowed the enemy to define them.


Romney had a horse. How could he defend that?
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70871 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 2:45 pm to
quote:


become Libertarians..


I don't think hardcore Libertarian would work. But lay off the social issues, scale back the federal police state, restore quaint ideas like needing a warrant to spy on Americans, quit supporting overseas adventurism...those would be a big help.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 3:12 pm to
double down on trickle down and explode the deficit with defense spending always seems to work for them
Posted by Beerinthepocket
Dallas
Member since May 2011
851 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 3:29 pm to
The answer: Paul Ryan.

Read his book "The Way Forward". That man has the most sensible policy ideas to fix our country's problems that I have ever heard. His ideas are very realistic and not the Republican talking points. I have trouble seeing how a pragmatic, reasonable person could disagree with the plan he's laid out.

The trouble is I'm not sure we can count on >50% of Americans being pragmatic and reasonable.
This post was edited on 10/26/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98133 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 5:32 pm to
The ultraconservative faction of their own party were ambivalent at best about all the candidates you mentioned. If the entire GOP had been enthusiastically behind any of those guys, one or two of them would have won. Probably not Bush I, because people get tired of any political brand after a while, and Republicans had had a 12 year run already. And probably not Dole, because the economy was rocking along and voters didn't see any compelling reason to change horses. But Obama was very beatable in the last two elections, and Republicans couldn't seal the deal within their own party.

When the GOP starts building broad coalitions again, they'll win national elections. As it stands right now, if the candidate doesn't stand with them all down the line, one wing of the party takes its ball and goes home.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75149 posts
Posted on 10/26/14 at 6:12 pm to
More Rockefeller Republicans.
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