re: Why are blacks vilified for not toeing the Obama line?

I reject the premise of the question. There may be a small percentage of Black locksteppers who take offense at Black folks who don't tow the Democratic line, but those folks would take that position regardless of who was in the White House.

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I guarantee you most whites can name Barry legislation that's hurt them and their families.

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I said name one besides Obamacare and you said this:

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The Scamulous is a nice one.

His assault on the 2nd amendment has made it damn near impossible (and was impossible for awhile) to buy ammunition.

The cash for clunkers was and incredibly efficient use of tax payer dollars.

The soon to be amnesty will give most voters the warm and fuzzies.

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So how specifically has the Stimulus hurt you and your family or someone you know. Could be anyone.

I don't know what you mean but "his assault on the 2nd amendment". What legislation has he passed that hurt you and your family or your friends?

Ditto for cash for clunkers.

As for "Amnesty" what legislation has he passed? And if so how has it hurt you and your family?

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They are a small group, but they are loud and often have an audience (and they aren't exclusively black either). I prefer to consider them special interest puppets who brand themselves as civil rights leaders. They prioritize their union/party/organization over their own people, and it's disgusting. If there is a crisis, they are instantly dispatched to agitate and distort with hopes that public outrage is channeled and shaped in a way that is beneficial to a specific group, usually one that supports the Democratic Party.

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This is excellent analysis. While I agree that there are more and more Tbirds and BHPs every year, their voice is not increasing in proportion to their numbers.

Again - if that voting pattern will just shift 10 points from 95/5 to 85/15, or, even better, 70/30, blacks will become as important as Latinos, particularly if turnout in elections without a black man running for President also increases.

As it is now - they're written off by the Republicans (although Rand Paul may make me rethink this) and taken for granted by their Democrat overseers, black and white.

So you can't view legislation as bad if it doesn't harm you personally??? One can't simply have the opinion that it's bad for the whole of our society and fiscal responsibility of the government?

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There are as many Republican locksteppers as there are Democratic locksteppers in this country,

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OK - I'll bite

name one conservative lockstep group that is equivalent to the +90% devotion that the black voting bloc gives DEMs.

Now, when you say religious fundamentalists, you have to be asserting that +90% of ALL religious fundamentalists, even the black ones, are lock-stepped with the GOP.

I'd really like to know what group you have in mind that can be easily differentiated from the rest of Americans which displays such slavish devotion to the GOP as do the blacks to DEMs.

It's not fair to just say 'conservatives' because that is a political affiliation to begin with, but even then, many conservatives vote libertarian.

So what group(s) are you referring to?

OR - are you stepping into the same generality that got KCT roundly smeared by the board?

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I'm not going to do that because y'all get into namecalling pretty quickly. You are coming dangerously close to doing it with me. I know we've moved beyond that, but I guess I would have been called a n-word "lover" back in the day - in fact I was. I had black friends (*GASP*) and even a black roommate. In fact, there was about a year or so, when I was pretty much the only white guy running in our circle.

Having said that - you're falling into the classic trap - herding "blacks" like they're this monolithic entity. Tbird and ommg are not who you think they are, nor do black folks unanimously consider Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, or even BHO their spokesperson or the "Emperor of Black People". In fact, if you took the time, you would probably find you have more in common with Tbird and BHP (heck, maybe even OMMG) - than you do with Boston and Los Angeles, educated white liberal elite idiots - a LOT more in common.

However, it is in the interests of the powers-that-be to keep us all in nice, convenient little boxes until election day, so they can herd us into the voting booth on their whim - not ours. Occasionally an election goes against form (1994), and this one may as well, but I just find it an oversimplification to consider black people as this homogenous mass of sagging, dope smoking, drug dealing, gun-toting, murdering, rapping Lil Boosies.

Why? Because I know better.

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I'm completely turning off the FT troll machine to say that this is one of best posts I've ever read on this board.

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But white people cannot run from any culpalbility in these matters.

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Tell me how I am guilty, and what I can do to stop being guilty. I really don't want to oppress you. I didn't know I was. Tell me how to stop.

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If black people, even the ones that have done well and are economically removed from the problems, have inherited a racial burden for the state of black people, then progenitors of this crippling state need to be held accountable as well.

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A large part of this "inherited racial burden" is psychological, with pressures coming from within the black community itself. There's not a damned thing whites can do about that (and we get loudly criticized when even acknowledging that it exists).

But let's look at the white culpability in this. What's your solution? We already have a system in places in many areas where being black is considered a bonus just because businesses want to be sure to be "diverse" so the race pimps don't notice them. What else can be done?

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There are as many Republican locksteppers as there are Democratic locksteppers in this country,

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I'd really like to know what group you have in mind that can be easily differentiated from the rest of Americans which displays such slavish devotion to the GOP as do the blacks to DEMs. It's not fair to just say 'conservatives' because that is a political affiliation to begin with, but even then, many conservatives vote libertarian. So what group(s) are you referring to?

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White southerners, especially White southern males.