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re: Confirmed case of Ebola in New York City
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:58 am to the808bass
Posted on 10/24/14 at 8:58 am to the808bass
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The CDC's behavior after a reported case of Ebola does not match its public policy on the disease transmission.
Exactly.
Is it a confused level of authority? Is it incompetence? Is it election year pressures from above? Or a combo of all three?
Seems some here read these questions and scream "PANIC MONGERS".
Maybe true for some posters but most here I've read have been asking really good questions we wish those in the MSM would be asking as well.
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Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:00 am to Homesick Tiger
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Why are you trying to turn this into an American thing?
because if you don't stick to your principles when the going gets tough, what is the point of having them?
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Does Ebola only love the U.S. and thus won't be inflicted upon us because we are the good guys in all this?
Ebola is a virus, it doesn't feel. It will take hold like Africa because of several reasons:
1. We have a healthcare system that isn't going to be overwhelmed
2. We don't have natural reservoirs (i.e bats and now thought pigs).
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And another thing, Ebola is just now coming to America, basically one case at a time. I think it really hasn't gotten a toehold yet here. Not saying it will get epidemic here but multiple cases happening at once are just a matter of time imo.
We had 4 ongoing cases at one time last week. 3 have been released from isolation because they no longer had the virus in their blood and the 4th has been upgraded from fair to good condition. We can handle it and then some.
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It will be interesting to see how it will be handled then but let's go ahead and take that chance since we are "well-equipped" to handle it?
It isn't going to be interesting to see what. It will be quite boring actually. A new case will pop up and then they will go to the hospital where as long as they follow the procedures and protocols the patient will get well and no one will catch it. Rinse and repeat
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:14 am to WeeWee
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We can handle it and then some.
You should follow that with a "imo". Maybe the count is low now, thank God it is. One thing that is being overlooked however is the fact of all the "innocent" people being inconvenienced here in the states because of "possible" detections popping up here. Being America as you say, is it worth the inconvenience of many being monitored for the sake of one, two, three, etc. possible symptomatic people who think it's an American right to travel as they wish based on very iffy CDC mandates and opinions? I don't.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:17 am to antibarner
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We are sending soldiers over there too, let a few of them come back with it and we officially have a mess on our hands. And Obama is responsible.
Not so. He missed the intel briefing and MSNBC news cast that contained the information. Now he's mad (like he was about the IRS thingy) and gonna find out whose arse to kick.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:24 am to Homesick Tiger
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You should follow that with a "imo".
It is my opinion and the opinion of all the experts.
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One thing that is being overlooked however is the fact of all the "innocent" people being inconvenienced here in the states because of "possible" detections popping up here.
It is not a real inconvenience, the CDC calls and say hey you might have been exposed and there is a tiny chance that you might become sick, butif you don't mind take your temp twice a day and let us know if you develop a fever over 100. Thats it for most. The ones like Pham's boyfriend are put in isolation because he had a much more serious chance of catching it than the public at large.
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Being America as you say, is it worth the inconvenience of many being monitored for the sake of one, two, three, etc. possible symptomatic people who think it's an American right to travel as they wish based on very iffy CDC mandates and opinions? I don't.
no one has traveled when they were symptomatic. Vinson was borderline symptomatic and the fever was below 100.4. It has been 2 weeks since then and nobody has gotten sick yet. We still have another week to go but so far so good. As far as inconviencing ppl, it has been almost one month since Duncan came to the US, that would be 4500 ppl in a quarantine camp or basically house arrest according to your idea, As of right now only about 300 or so have been asked to monitor their health. Which plan is more inconvenience? 300 or so take their temp twice a day or 4500 ppl in a camp?
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:26 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:Absolutely no one with any logic would suggest that. In fact it could be the worst thing you could do and would likely increase the possibility of Ebola spreading in the US.
Who said anything about watching their homes? I propose having one area where all people wanting to go to America have to reside to be monitored for 21 days. If they don't like it they can stay home.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:37 am to trackfan
Commend the guy for risking his life to help West Africans. Hope he gets better.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:40 am to WeeWee
quote:Are you under the impression that is not EXACTLY the condition imposed on Dallas THP workers, on the NBC film crew, on Duncan's social contacts, on this Doctor's social contacts, etc., etc., etc., etc.?
Yeah that is not unamerican at all. Just put someone on home arrest or prison basically without a trial. Yall do realize how crazy yall sound right?
IMO 21d self-quarantine with an appropriate criminal penalty imposed for breach would be sufficient.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:43 am to WeeWee
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4500 ppl in a quarantine camp
Your math is a little off. According to your formula it would be 3,150. Remember, after twenty-one days you'd have just as many being released, if clean, as being admitted.
We both have our opinions of "what ifs" and "what has" happens scenarios. You're going with predictability based on science, I'm going with unpredictability based on inexperience of the situation.
As I've stated before, I'll be more than proud to be totally wrong with my opinion if eventually I am wrong. Would you with yours if eventually proven wrong? I guess what the point of what I'm trying to say is that it's way too early in the game for your opinions to give me much confidence that things will continue to be under control.
Thanks for the discussion without the name calling. Who'd a thought that could happen on TDs.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:45 am to mmcgrath
quote:Don't agree as to necessity of 21d in a Liberian barracks, but let's be completely clear. The line of thought that such a measure "would likely increase the possibility of Ebola spreading in the US" is complete utter horseshite.
would likely increase the possibility of Ebola spreading in the US.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:46 am to NC_Tigah
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Are you under the impression that is not EXACTLY the condition imposed on Dallas THP workers, on the NBC film crew, on Duncan's social contacts, on this Doctor's social contacts, etc., etc., etc., etc.?
The only groups you mentioned that had a legal requirement was the NBC crew (and that was a complete overreaction) and the people living in the apartment with Duncan.
I am not aware of any other enforced quarantine. That includes the THP workers and this Doctor's social contacts.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:48 am to mmcgrath
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increase the possibility of Ebola spreading in the US.
Please explain this.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:50 am to goatmilker
In some good news, Nina Pham is totally cleared and will go home today. Glad for her, she seemed really nice.
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:51 am to NC_Tigah
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Are you under the impression that is not EXACTLY the condition imposed on Dallas THP workers
There is a big arse difference between the hospital offering the workers rooms if they don't want to transmit it to their families and the hospital giving them 21 days off and a forced quarantine at a camp or home arrest.
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on the NBC film crew
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while the rest of Dr. Nancy Snyderman’s team enters 21 days of self-quarantine.
big difference in self quarantine and forced. Plus it is needed but if they want to, let them.
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Duncan's social contacts
none of which developed symptoms and it was completely unnecessary IMO.
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IMO 21d self-quarantine
I have no problem with a self-quarantine or an employer telling someone to take 3 paid weeks off, but when the gov starts stepping in and telling ppl who have no chance of spreading the disease to stay home I have a big problem.
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appropriate criminal penalty imposed for breach would be sufficient.
thats where I have a problem
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:56 am to Pettifogger
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In some good news, Nina Pham is totally cleared and will go home today. Glad for her, she seemed really nice.
That's awesome. I was looking for news but couldn't find any only minutes ago. I was getting worried since i hadn't heard any updates in a few days.
BTW, if you get a link, please start a new thread.
This post was edited on 10/24/14 at 9:57 am
Posted on 10/24/14 at 9:57 am to Pettifogger
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In some good news, Nina Pham is totally cleared and will go home today. Glad for her, she seemed really nice.
That is some damn good news. I was just about to do a google search, but you saved me the trouble.
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