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re: For those saying let Harris start and take his lumps
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:32 pm to moneyg
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:32 pm to moneyg
AJ should have started at Auburn...period. Judging what BH might be able to do off that one game is ludicrous. He should have gotten a start....at home...against one of the patsies. That way he could have floundered a bit and not really hurt our chances to win in the end.
Not letting him play at all now is total BS and is wholly on Miles.
If he progresses over the summer, hopefully he starts next year. If AJ is still the guy, then I wouldn't blame him for transferring.
Not letting him play at all now is total BS and is wholly on Miles.
If he progresses over the summer, hopefully he starts next year. If AJ is still the guy, then I wouldn't blame him for transferring.
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:38 pm to demtigers73
quote:Harris had 3 completions for 58 yards in about a half of play vs Auburn. That is about exactly on par with AJs stats. So I dont see how Harris' performance against Auburn is used against him
he showed against Auburn he is not ready! PERIOD!
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:42 pm to lsupride87
Becasue he looked and played like a deer in the headlights! I am not bashing him, he is a player and can take the starting job when he learns the playbook and knows wtf is going on until then CLM will stay with the "safer" of the two. Thats all I am saying, it is what it is!
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:42 pm to Fratigerguy
Jennings is better at checking into/out of plays at the line. Thats why he's the starter.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:43 pm to demtigers73
quote:He may have looked like a deer in the headlights but doesnt change the fact he was on par with AJ
Becasue he looked and played like a deer in the headlights! I am not bashing him, he is a player and can take the starting job when he learns the playbook and knows wtf is going on until then CLM will stay with the "safer" of the two. Thats all I am saying, it is what it is!
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:47 pm to lsupride87
Becasue we couldn't run the ball to save our lives against Auburn and CLM aint gonna just jack it up 999 everytime! So until Harris and/or Jennings figures out how to stand in the pocket, read a coverage and deliver a catchable ball both will continue to flounder!
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:48 pm to demtigers73
quote:That, I agree with
Becasue we couldn't run the ball to save our lives against Auburn and CLM aint gonna just jack it up 999 everytime! So until Harris and/or Jennings figures out how to stand in the pocket, read a coverage and deliver a catchable ball both will continue to flounder
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:50 pm to lsupride87
Well, let's don't forget the fact that those 3 completions were on 14 attempts. Even with the struggles AJ has had, that is far below his "par".
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:53 pm to The Mick
Harris definately has the "It" factor, but he young and just not quite ready this year. AJ does not have anything close to the "It" factor, but he knows the offense well and is more comfortable and equipped to lead the team THIS season. That is all.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:57 pm to Fratigerguy
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First, there's little doubt that athletically, to anyone observing, that Harris has more tools. But you can't ignore that he doesn't have the "it" factor now to give us the best chance to win. Second, while BH may be more gifted than AJ, you have to admire Jennings willingness to come out and give everything he has for the Tigers, even after being booed at home (and yes, I know many will say they were booing miles).
Having said that though...doesn't coach Miles owe it to the seniors on this team and the fans to play for this season? You dont know what next year will bring. Wouldn't it be a slap in the face to guys who have busted their butts for 4 and 5 years to just tell them this year we're going to take our lumps so that next year we MAY be better? How would you feel if you were that senior? If you were a parent of that senior? Why is it not ok to win for them today?
This is, of course, excluding the types who will say that Harris gives us our best shot to win today, having ignored the Auburn game and what the coaches evidently see in practice....
I think Miles made a mistake NOT starting BH against New mexico State. Bad idea to give him his first start on the road at a top 5 SEC team.
That said, AJ has not turned the ball over the last 2 games and, while he has not played great, we are improvong.
At this time, neither QB goves us a great shot at winning, but AJ has earned the starting job for now. Or BH has lost it, depending of your pwerspective.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 1:58 pm to Fratigerguy
quote:Ok, correct. But we are also deciding to judge Harris in his worse performance agaisnt AJs average, which makes no sense. Lets compare worst to worst. 3/14 for 58 yds and no turnovers vs Auburn, compared to 2/5 11 yds and 2ints against New Mexico st. So when you compare each others worse, Jennings worse is actually not as good. So how can we in one breath say Harris "proved" he wasnt ready against Auburn(the number 5 team in the country), and in another breath not say the same about Jennings against New Mexico st(possibly the worse d1 team). It is completely illogical
Well, let's don't forget the fact that those 3 completions were on 14 attempts. Even with the struggles AJ has had, that is far below his "par".
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:00 pm to Methuselah
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That goes back to my original question in the thread: If Harris is better now (which presumably means he gives the better chance to win), why isn't the coaching staff starting him? They evaluate it differently than you? They don't want the best chance of winning? They are just trying to make you mad? Something else? I'm genuinely curious as to why you think they wouldn't start the better player.
I think its because ,in practice, the margin at which Harris is better does not surpass the fear the coaches have of Harris possibly playing badly and ruining his mental psychy for the future. Basically he is a little better on average but is less consistent. His bad could be real bad, his good real good. AJ hasn't had any turnover problems in big games, ( because if his #1 isn't open he tucks it, gets sacked, or throws it away). Coaches feel more in control and safer with Jennings, playing not to lose.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:00 pm to White Tiger
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Unless this team gets good play from the QB position, it stands little chance of beating Ole Miss or 'Bama. I do not see much of a comparison between Harris and AJ inasmuch as the latter has yet to show much in terms of reads and throws. He has not run well either. I think Harris is better now, but doubt he see the field much the rest of the year. Just my opinion.
Say what you want about the Auburn game, he needs more reps. Having the QB be a non-factor is a huge disadvantage for LSU.
Yep
and if that correct and Harris doesn't see the field much the rest of the year.....he may transfer. Who could blame him
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:01 pm to White Tiger
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Having the QB be a non-factor is a huge disadvantage for LSU
Oh, QB is a HUGE factor for LSU, albeit a negative one. That's the problem right now
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:06 pm to etm512
quote:About the same as deciding on whether to play Lucky Polk or Melvin Hill.
Could be one of those unwanted but necessary QB rotations where you play whoever is more on that day
"Oh, I'm sorry Stephen and Hayden, I'll have to ask you to leave the program because the two of you can't run fast enough. Don't let the door hit you on the arse on the way out."
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:07 pm to Fratigerguy
Jennings looks at one receiver (usually Dural) the whole play and usually just lofts a fade route to him. Trey Quinn is open often over the middle of the field and rarely gets looked at. I don't know what Jennings does that Harris can't do RIGHT NOW.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:09 pm to TigerBaitTx
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Coaches feel more in control and safer with Jennings, playing not to lose.
Playing not to lose, instead of aggressively playing to win. Never understood that. Kills the teams' confidence and deflates them emotionally.
Also never understood sheltering these guys. Is Harris so mentally fragile that we need to protect the poor guy? Good grief, he signed to play QB at LSU and enrolled early to get a head start. Clearly has a cannon, is accurate, has wheels, and has the "it" factor. His teammates respond to him, much more than AJ.
He's clearly our QB of the future, so put him in now and let him learn. I'll overlook the debacle at Auburn. Too big of a moment for him.
But if he's ever going to develop, he needs to learn to thrive in those moments. No more sheltering needed.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:12 pm to atltiger6487
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Playing not to lose, instead of aggressively playing to win. Never understood that. Kills the teams' confidence and deflates them emotionally.
Also never understood sheltering these guys. Is Harris so mentally fragile that we need to protect the poor guy? Good grief, he signed to play QB at LSU and enrolled early to get a head start. Clearly has a cannon, is accurate, has wheels, and has the "it" factor. His teammates respond to him, much more than AJ.
He's clearly our QB of the future, so put him in now and let him learn. I'll overlook the debacle at Auburn. Too big of a moment for him.
But if he's ever going to develop, he needs to learn to thrive in those moments. No more sheltering needed.
I agree with all of this I'm just answering the post above about WHY I think the coaches are deciding not to play Harris
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:13 pm to Fratigerguy
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Well, let's don't forget the fact that those 3 completions were on 14 attempts. Even with the struggles AJ has had, that is far below his "par".
He was 2/8 for 13 yards deep into the 3rd quarter at Florida
Posted on 10/21/14 at 2:15 pm to LACountyTiger
I say give them equal time, alternate every possession. Can't say it won't work cause we haven't tried it. It would give each QB multiple opportunities to redeem himself if he screwed up a possession. But if you're just gonna run all the time anyway, leave Jennings in the whole game cause he knows his left from his right for hand-offs, but you're not giving the team a chance in hell to win. All that does is give us a better chance to lose by fewer points because you're eliminating freshman Harris' errors. If you alternate the QB's every possession and we lose anyway, then we're no good all around and we'll know Jennings is the guy that will give LSU more respectable blowouts. I think Les's goal this year is more respectable blowouts, anyway.
This post was edited on 10/21/14 at 2:19 pm
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