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For those saying let Harris start and take his lumps
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:24 pm
First, there's little doubt that athletically, to anyone observing, that Harris has more tools. But you can't ignore that he doesn't have the "it" factor now to give us the best chance to win. Second, while BH may be more gifted than AJ, you have to admire Jennings willingness to come out and give everything he has for the Tigers, even after being booed at home (and yes, I know many will say they were booing miles).
Having said that though...doesn't coach Miles owe it to the seniors on this team and the fans to play for this season? You dont know what next year will bring. Wouldn't it be a slap in the face to guys who have busted their butts for 4 and 5 years to just tell them this year we're going to take our lumps so that next year we MAY be better? How would you feel if you were that senior? If you were a parent of that senior? Why is it not ok to win for them today?
This is, of course, excluding the types who will say that Harris gives us our best shot to win today, having ignored the Auburn game and what the coaches evidently see in practice....
Having said that though...doesn't coach Miles owe it to the seniors on this team and the fans to play for this season? You dont know what next year will bring. Wouldn't it be a slap in the face to guys who have busted their butts for 4 and 5 years to just tell them this year we're going to take our lumps so that next year we MAY be better? How would you feel if you were that senior? If you were a parent of that senior? Why is it not ok to win for them today?
This is, of course, excluding the types who will say that Harris gives us our best shot to win today, having ignored the Auburn game and what the coaches evidently see in practice....
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Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:25 pm to Fratigerguy
Harris was a nervous wreck at Auburn. I think he can do exactly what Jennings has done, EASILY.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:26 pm to Fratigerguy
I think at minimum they should give him a small package to get him some real game experience leading into next season. How in the hell can he grow without being allowed to play?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:30 pm to The Mick
quote:In our last two games, AJ has had 17 completions for 230 yards. Without bashing him, I think almost any qb in D1 right now could do that
Harris was a nervous wreck at Auburn. I think he can do exactly what Jennings has done, EASILY.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:32 pm to Fratigerguy
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But you can't ignore that he doesn't have the "it" factor now to give us the best chance to win.
What?
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Second, while BH may be more gifted than AJ, you have to admire Jennings willingness to come out and give everything he has for the Tigers, even after being booed at home
Harris wouldn't give his all?
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Having said that though...doesn't coach Miles owe it to the seniors on this team and the fans to play for this season? You dont know what next year will bring. Wouldn't it be a slap in the face to guys who have busted their butts for 4 and 5 years to just tell them this year we're going to take our lumps so that next year we MAY be better? How would you feel if you were that senior? If you were a parent of that senior? Why is it not ok to win for them today?
It's not like Jennings is lighting it up though. He was abysmal for 3 quarters at Florida (Harris being injured I hope was the reason for not playing him at all) and didn't exactly light the world on fire against Kentucky. I want the standards to be the same for both QBs regardless of age
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:33 pm to Fratigerguy
I think time in the system will improve harris's game more than flailing around on a field.
Clearly he was not comfortable enough to run the offense and deal with starting as a freshmen. and sometimes that happens.
I think people have made good points about guys like Winston, and JFF coming out firing in their RS Fresh year with no playing experience.
Clearly he was not comfortable enough to run the offense and deal with starting as a freshmen. and sometimes that happens.
I think people have made good points about guys like Winston, and JFF coming out firing in their RS Fresh year with no playing experience.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:33 pm to The Mick
As I said, excluding the delusion that he, right now, is capable of running the same offense. He doesn't know the play book, gets confused, etc. He will be great, eventually, and I firmly believe that.
No, I'm talking to the semi-sane folks who at least understand he isn't game ready now, but want him to take over to get reps, even though it gives us less of a chance to win this year.
No, I'm talking to the semi-sane folks who at least understand he isn't game ready now, but want him to take over to get reps, even though it gives us less of a chance to win this year.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:37 pm to Fratigerguy
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As I said, excluding the delusion that he, right now, is capable of running the same offense.
You're right. It actually looked like we opened it up a bit more when he came in against NMSU
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He doesn't know the play book, gets confused, etc.
Que?
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No, I'm talking to the semi-sane folks who at least understand he isn't game ready now, but want him to take over to get reps, even though it gives us less of a chance to win this year.
I'm not saying hand him the keys and be done with it. But when your other QB is out there struggling and the difference is marginal at best between the 2, give him a shot at least.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:38 pm to etm512
Wait, so some of you guys think that Miles is purposely NOT starting the QB that gives us the best chance to win now?
What do you think his motivation for doing something like that is?
What do you think his motivation for doing something like that is?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:39 pm to Methuselah
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Wait, so some of you guys think that Miles is purposely NOT starting the QB that gives us the best chance to win now?
Where did I say that?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:41 pm to etm512
Harris can do what Jennings has done these past two games and more.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:42 pm to lsupride87
There is absolutely ZERO validity to any argument to play a lesser player in order to get him experience. You put the best player on the field- period. You do everything possible to win THIS game.
But the only question is: which of these two is the best player today? Harris seems to have the potential to be the better QB in the future. But he has not show it yet in a game and apparently does not play noticeably better than AJ at practice.
So the question is not: Do we put BH in there to get him experience quicker? It is: do we put him in ther because he has the better chance of helping us win TODAY?
Based on what I've seen, I think AJ still represents the best option at QB. But....
If he struggles, I would not hesitate to make the switch and see what BH can do. Both are still open books as far as how good they can be.
But the only question is: which of these two is the best player today? Harris seems to have the potential to be the better QB in the future. But he has not show it yet in a game and apparently does not play noticeably better than AJ at practice.
So the question is not: Do we put BH in there to get him experience quicker? It is: do we put him in ther because he has the better chance of helping us win TODAY?
Based on what I've seen, I think AJ still represents the best option at QB. But....
If he struggles, I would not hesitate to make the switch and see what BH can do. Both are still open books as far as how good they can be.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:43 pm to Fratigerguy
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But you can't ignore that he doesn't have the "it" factor now to give us the best chance to win
Here's some friendly advice: When trying to prove a point, avoid saying something stupid as hell in your second sentence.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:43 pm to GeauxPelsGeaux
quote:FIFY
Most of us can do what Jennings has done these past two games and more.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:43 pm to etm512
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Where did I say that?
I'm trying to determine your position on who should be starting. That's why I phrased it as a question.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:46 pm to Methuselah
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I'm trying to determine your position on who should be starting. That's why I phrased it as a question.
I would say start AJ but don't be so shy about bringing in Harris if he starts to struggle like he has the past 2 games. Like I said, not like AJ is lighting the world on fire out there and we have seen Harris outplay him in one game in relief this year. Could be one of those unwanted but necessary QB rotations where you play whoever is more on that day
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:49 pm to PortCityTiger24
So in your opinion, he has the play book down, is able to make all the reads, progressions, knows which side to turn to to hand the ball of, etc??? He has extreme athletic ability. He will be a great quarterback one day. Right now, he doesn't have "it", and there are zero facts you can point to otherwise.
I'm also all fine for playing him more and getting more reps if AJ isn't getting it done. I've just seen several posters over the last couple weeks saying to start him so he could take his lumps this year since we weren't competing for anything really anyway.
I'm also all fine for playing him more and getting more reps if AJ isn't getting it done. I've just seen several posters over the last couple weeks saying to start him so he could take his lumps this year since we weren't competing for anything really anyway.
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:51 pm to etm512
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I would say start AJ but don't be so shy about bringing in Harris if he starts to struggle like he has the past 2 games. Like I said, not like AJ is lighting the world on fire out there and we have seen Harris outplay him in one game in relief this year. Could be one of those unwanted but necessary QB rotations where you play whoever is more on that day
Thanks for the answer. I think it's a valid one though I'm not sure what I would do about the rotation if I (God forbid) had to make the choice.
Another question for you or anyone who cares to answer: At what point would you have brought Harris in in the Kentucky game? And how long would you have left him in say if he did excellent, if he did mediocre or if he did bad?
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:52 pm to Fratigerguy
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So in your opinion, he has the play book down, is able to make all the reads, progressions, knows which side to turn to to hand the ball of, etc???
It doesn't help your point when you can ask this about either QB
Posted on 10/21/14 at 12:57 pm to Fratigerguy
Unless this team gets good play from the QB position, it stands little chance of beating Ole Miss or 'Bama. I do not see much of a comparison between Harris and AJ inasmuch as the latter has yet to show much in terms of reads and throws. He has not run well either. I think Harris is better now, but doubt he see the field much the rest of the year. Just my opinion.
Say what you want about the Auburn game, he needs more reps. Having the QB be a non-factor is a huge disadvantage for LSU.
Say what you want about the Auburn game, he needs more reps. Having the QB be a non-factor is a huge disadvantage for LSU.
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