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re: Kevin Sumlin direct quote. LSU related
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:19 pm to texastigerr
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:19 pm to texastigerr
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We ran the ball on every 1st and 10 play. There is something wrong with that.
Except the end result
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Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:20 pm to ZereauxSum
quote:And you don't think it's necessary to tweak the offense after losing an NFL caliber QB and two elite WR?
This. It's the exact same scheme LSU ran last year when Mett, OBJ and Juice were breaking school records. Freaking rantards have a very short, myopic memory.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:21 pm to ZereauxSum
The scheme is terrible. And please, stop fricking saying it's the same scheme we ran last year. It very well may be, but all of those record breakers are gone.
Adapt your damn offense to the strength of your personnel. Stop being hard headed and so fricking predictable based on personnel.
Adapt your damn offense to the strength of your personnel. Stop being hard headed and so fricking predictable based on personnel.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:21 pm to monsterballads
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I don't want LSU to throw 60 times a game
Never suggested this and agree.
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I DO want LSU to complete more than 7 passes in a game.
Indeed. You can run an I, ace, or other wrinkles on offense that create a more balanced attack.
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running 51 times up the middle works against kentucky, It hasn't against miss state and auburn, and it likely won't against ole miss and bama.
This was a causal situation due to the fact it was successful and the need to throw was eliminated. My largest concern is the pass blocking...with all the running LSU does, I am unsure as to why the PA pass is not more successful.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:22 pm to ZereauxSum
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It's the exact same scheme LSU ran last year
No, no it's not. Please show me a link from this year to the 15 yard In route LSU ran time and time again last year
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:24 pm to House_of Cards
It isn't successful because there is typically only 1 or two guys in the route. Pretty easy to defend.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:26 pm to LSU GrandDad
Yep
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:28 pm to ZereauxSum
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This. It's the exact same scheme LSU ran last year when Mett, OBJ and Juice were breaking school records. Freaking rantards have a very short, myopic memory.
Jenning isn't Mett. Your scheme should fit the skillset of your players. Square peg round hole.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:29 pm to MoreOrLes
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When you routinely waste first downs by running up the middle
I don't disagree that we should pass it more on first down, but keep in mind we have less success passing the ball in first down than running it. Here are our first down passes yesterday:
1Q:
1st and 10 at LSU 40 Anthony Jennings sacked by TEAM for a loss of 1 yard to the LSU 39 LSU Penalty, Offensive Holding (NA) to the LSU 29
2Q:
1st and 10 at 50 Anthony Jennings pass incomplete
1st and 10 at UK 26 Anthony Jennings pass incomplete
3Q:
1st and 10 at LSU 47 LSU Penalty, False Start (Terrence Magee) to the LSU 42 3 34
1st and 15 at LSU 42 Anthony Jennings pass incomplete
And all of these first down pass attempts came after a successful first down, most of which were rushing first downs. So these were unsuccessful passes when the defense should have been prepped to stop the run.
Passing the ball on first down more is not a cure-all at this point in time.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:34 pm to monsterballads
No question about it, for example, he catches that short TD throw that neighbor can't catch -hands down, Melvin will be playing a bunch of snaps going forward 
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:36 pm to LSU GrandDad
Great time to make your point.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:37 pm to TheBob
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Posted by TheBob
Adapt your damn offense to the strength of your personnel. Stop being hard headed and so fricking predictable based on personnel.
I believe that's the problem. Our qb personnel doesn't have a "strength" presently.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:39 pm to LSU GrandDad
I agree with this part...
How absurd is it to paint your dissenters to hold the opinion that it is impossible to beat the spread if you just follow a few simple guidelines, which anyone can enact perfectly? No one is claiming that! Of course a spread offense run with bad players, bad play calling, bad execution etc. is going to fail on occasion. The argument is not that switching to the spread will suddenly make LSU some unstoppable force, impossible to be contended with again in this decade. It's simply that they believe it increase our chances of success, that's it. So picking 3 examples out of maybe a thousand games to disprove the spread is an asinine assertion. You must know that there are at least as many examples of spread offenses beating good teams. Or for that matter, running teams losing to good ones. Just zero reason to believe the evidence you present is any indication of a trend as opposed to a simple result of the law of large numbers
But I reiterate, I agree with your conclusion.
quote:But this is a stupid argument for it…
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SCHEME LSU RUNS.
quote:You realize that you have chosen 3 examples of spread offenses failing over the last 2 years, right? And you realize there are over 100 teams in the FBS, and they each play 12 games a year, right?
in this mornings' Houston Chronicle, Sumlin quotes.."we need to examine what we're doing schematically".
this is after rushing for 31 yds yesterday. (1.3 yds per carry). also, his offense had only 8 first downs and was 19-31 for 141 yds.
similarly, West Virginia (of all teams) virtually shut down the high powered #1 Baylor offense. per the Baylor QB...."they loaded the box and pressed our receivers"
it appears that this almighty spread offense can be dismantled or near so (like we did against A&M last year). when they can't pass or get no yds after the catch of one of their "dink" passes they are dead in the water. one trick ponies.
for you guys just cryin' to adopt the spread running the football is where it's at. sure, you need a passing game too but if you can't run the football you aren't going to beat the top teams.
How absurd is it to paint your dissenters to hold the opinion that it is impossible to beat the spread if you just follow a few simple guidelines, which anyone can enact perfectly? No one is claiming that! Of course a spread offense run with bad players, bad play calling, bad execution etc. is going to fail on occasion. The argument is not that switching to the spread will suddenly make LSU some unstoppable force, impossible to be contended with again in this decade. It's simply that they believe it increase our chances of success, that's it. So picking 3 examples out of maybe a thousand games to disprove the spread is an asinine assertion. You must know that there are at least as many examples of spread offenses beating good teams. Or for that matter, running teams losing to good ones. Just zero reason to believe the evidence you present is any indication of a trend as opposed to a simple result of the law of large numbers
But I reiterate, I agree with your conclusion.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:48 pm to tjohn deaux
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The receivers are very capable of getting open, the problem is getting the QB to see them at the right time.
Agree. Until we have a QB capable enough and comfortable enough, we will run, and run, and run.
I think the game plan the last 2 weeks was as much about O-line development than QB development. Grimes changed plenty with regard to technique, and anything new requires time and repetition to become instinctive (instead of thinking).
The Ole Miss and BAMA games will be won or lost on the ground. CLM and CC know this and to be successful will require the OL to open holes.
Finally, unless the D continues to step up, the offensive game plan will remain "safe". It is relatively safe and it eats clock IF working. And, IF working it provides opportunity for an advantageous pass play. This team needs the run to set up the pass (attempt).
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:49 pm to Tigercat
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Passing the ball on first down more is not a cure-all at this point in time.
we have passed the ball on first down. the problem is that we can't seem to complete very many of them. then it's 2nd and 10 and tough to get the first on the ground. then we always run it on 2nd and long and it becomes 3rd and long.
when we become more proficient at passing is when passing on first down makes a hell of a lot more sense.
our passing deficiencies screws up our drives and thus our ability to score. when we get to where we can complete those short passes most of the team is when this offense takes off.
bama KILLED the aggies yesterday and they started the game with all passing. freaked the aggies out. by the time they resorting to running the ball the aggie defense was in panic mode and needed therapy.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:58 pm to LSU GrandDad
We try and throw the ball. Half the time cam calls a pass Jennings can't find anyone and rushes for 1 yard. He can't find open guys and doesn't trust his arm when he does
Rewatch the first half pass to fournette that went out of bounds. He was under no pressure and had dural and Quinn wide open for a 30yd TDs.
Rewatch the first half pass to fournette that went out of bounds. He was under no pressure and had dural and Quinn wide open for a 30yd TDs.
This post was edited on 10/19/14 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 10/19/14 at 5:59 pm to LSU GrandDad
frick it...lets bring back old school Veer Option football...
Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:00 pm to LACountyTiger
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We run the power I with 2 TEs
We ran this once against auburn. We don't run it nearly as much as people think.
Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:01 pm to TheBob
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Adapt your damn offense to the strength of your personnel.
CLM DOES--he calls it a running game
Posted on 10/19/14 at 6:02 pm to LSU GrandDad
Running the ball is obviously very important, but it is still possible to keep a power run game identity and add some spread concepts...a complete offense.
Run some pistol where we still have a downhill running attack, but also opens up some spread/read option looks.
Add in the occasional "dink and dump" plays and bubble screens, but don't let that become the focus of the offense like these other spread teams.
Drop a tight end or the full back occassionally and add an extra receiver to spread the field some more and give the backs room to work (Jennings has to look somewhere other than Dural for this to work, and Harris the same with Dupre).
This offense has so many weapons (yet young and unproven) that it's insane. I don't think anybody is asking for us to become a West Virginia or Baylor throwing it 85% of the time. Just a little creativity and thinking outside the box would be nice.
Run some pistol where we still have a downhill running attack, but also opens up some spread/read option looks.
Add in the occasional "dink and dump" plays and bubble screens, but don't let that become the focus of the offense like these other spread teams.
Drop a tight end or the full back occassionally and add an extra receiver to spread the field some more and give the backs room to work (Jennings has to look somewhere other than Dural for this to work, and Harris the same with Dupre).
This offense has so many weapons (yet young and unproven) that it's insane. I don't think anybody is asking for us to become a West Virginia or Baylor throwing it 85% of the time. Just a little creativity and thinking outside the box would be nice.
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