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Some Grand Jury info regarding Ferguson
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:58 am
Posted on 10/18/14 at 12:58 am
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WASHINGTON — The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.
The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.
The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.
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This is the first public account of Officer Wilson’s testimony to investigators, but it does not explain why, after he emerged from his vehicle, he fired at Mr. Brown multiple times. It contradicts some witness accounts, and it will not calm those who have been demanding to know why an unarmed man was shot a total of six times. Mr. Brown’s death continues to fuel anger and sometimes-violent protests.
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In September, Officer Wilson appeared for four hours before a St. Louis County grand jury, which was convened to determine whether there is probable cause that he committed a crime. Legal experts have said that his decision to testify was surprising, given that it was not required by law. But the struggle in the car may prove to be a more influential piece of information for the grand jury, one that speaks to Officer Wilson’s state of mind, his feeling of vulnerability and his sense of heightened alert when he killed Mr. Brown.
Police officers typically have wide latitude to use lethal force if they reasonably believe that they are in imminent danger.
The officials said that while the federal investigation was continuing, the evidence so far did not support civil rights charges against Officer Wilson. To press charges, the Justice Department would need to clear a high bar, proving that Officer Wilson willfully violated Mr. Brown’s civil rights when he shot him.
The account of Officer Wilson’s version of events did not come from the Ferguson Police Department or from officials whose activities are being investigated as part of the civil rights inquiry.
In the many accounts of Mr. Brown’s death, the most potent imagery has come from his final moments, when he and Officer Wilson faced each other on Canfield Drive. Some witnesses have said that he appeared to be surrendering with his hands in the air as he was hit with the fatal gunshots. Others have said that Mr. Brown was moving toward Officer Wilson when he was killed.
Few witnesses had perfect vantage points for the fight in the car, which occurred just after noon on Aug. 9. Mr. Brown was walking down the middle of the street with a friend, Dorian Johnson, when Officer Wilson stopped his S.U.V., a Chevy Tahoe, to order them to the sidewalk.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:02 am to burgeman
This seems like the officer isn't going to be charged.
The comment about his civil rights isn't clear enough. The article should say that they have to prove that he was killed because of his race. That's the issue; not, generally,"his civil rights."
The comment about his civil rights isn't clear enough. The article should say that they have to prove that he was killed because of his race. That's the issue; not, generally,"his civil rights."
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:04 am to baybeefeetz
If this thing doesn't go to trial, will we have Ferguson Part Deux and will it be worse?
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:07 am to Tim
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If this thing doesn't go to trial, will we have Ferguson Part Deux and will it be worse?
Yes.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:07 am to Tim
The national guard better set up camp in Ferguson if the cop gets off
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:08 am to ipodking
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The national guard better set up camp in Ferguson if the cop gets off
I guess that all depends on whether or not they are here or in Africa on the Ebola fighting mission...
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:10 am to burgeman
Based off what I read, it doesn't seem like Wilson will be charged.
BUT. He will have to explain the kill shots and the "excessive use of force.
It seems like, based on that description, that he had the legal rights to draw his weapon...but to exit the car and continue to engage seems off. There will have to be some explaining to do.
BUT. He will have to explain the kill shots and the "excessive use of force.
It seems like, based on that description, that he had the legal rights to draw his weapon...but to exit the car and continue to engage seems off. There will have to be some explaining to do.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 1:15 am to Tim
Graham vs. Conner is satisfied.
1. Attempted 1st degree Murder
2. An Immediate threat
3. Active resistance to arrest
4. Attempting to flee
The officer could have shot Brown in the back as ran away and still been justified.
1. Attempted 1st degree Murder
2. An Immediate threat
3. Active resistance to arrest
4. Attempting to flee
The officer could have shot Brown in the back as ran away and still been justified.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 7:44 am to StrongSafety
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It seems like, based on that description, that he had the legal rights to draw his weapon...but to exit the car and continue to engage seems off. There will have to be some explaining to do.
LOL
You are misinformed. A cop is totally within the proper conduct of his duty to do that. At that point, he could've tossed his handgun, reached inside for a scoped 30-.06, propped it on the doorsill, and sniped that fricker in the back of his head as he ran away if wanted to. Mike Brown's life was forfeit the moment he attacked the cop in his patrol car.
The grand jury won't indict this cop in 1,000,000 years.
So yeah, buckle up and prepare for April 29, 1992.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 7:48 am to StrongSafety
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Based off what I read, it doesn't seem like Wilson will be charged.
BUT. He will have to explain the kill shots
When you are in a shite fight anything goes to survive
Posted on 10/18/14 at 7:52 am to Cooter Davenport
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So yeah, buckle up and prepare for April 29, 1992.
You mean it's gonna be Cowboys vs. Thugs / Looters?
LC
Posted on 10/18/14 at 7:55 am to burgeman
An Ohio resident has reportedly revealed new details to the grand jury currently weighing a case against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. The unidentified witness claims to have seen the Brown shooting from start to finish.
In an interview with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the eyewitness recalled four key details:
• After an initial scuffle in the car, the officer did not fire until Brown turned back toward him.
• Brown put his arms out to his sides but never raised his hands high.
• Brown staggered toward Wilson despite commands to stop.
• The two were about 20 to 25 feet apart when the last shots were fired.
The man’s account differs some with other Ferguson residents who have claimed that Brown’s hands were up in the air when he was shot and that he was running away from the officer the entire time.
In an interview with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the eyewitness recalled four key details:
• After an initial scuffle in the car, the officer did not fire until Brown turned back toward him.
• Brown put his arms out to his sides but never raised his hands high.
• Brown staggered toward Wilson despite commands to stop.
• The two were about 20 to 25 feet apart when the last shots were fired.
The man’s account differs some with other Ferguson residents who have claimed that Brown’s hands were up in the air when he was shot and that he was running away from the officer the entire time.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 8:00 am to jrodLSUke
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The man’s account differs some with other Ferguson residents who have claimed that Brown’s hands were up in the air when he was shot and that he was running away from the officer the entire time.
Shocked I tell you. Shocked.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 8:01 am to LongueCarabine
Yeah I'm hoping the local Koreans are getting prepared.
Posted on 10/18/14 at 8:14 am to Cooter Davenport
I'll notify my guy to sell my shares in Juang's Smokes & Liquor ASAP.
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