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Why does BR care if an unincorporated area forms their own city?
Posted on 10/12/14 at 7:50 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 7:50 am
Especially with the mall, casino, and LSU staying with BR?
Let the people in the proposed area vote for their own future, I say. BR, to objective observers, seems like they are just determined to prevent them leaving because they just want them to be under the BR thumb. Besides, if they leave and succeed like Zachary it makes BR look shitty. . .well, shittier.
just my 2 cents.
Fwiw, grew up in BR. . .live in Walker, specifically so my kids aren't subjected to the EBRPSS
Let the people in the proposed area vote for their own future, I say. BR, to objective observers, seems like they are just determined to prevent them leaving because they just want them to be under the BR thumb. Besides, if they leave and succeed like Zachary it makes BR look shitty. . .well, shittier.
just my 2 cents.
Fwiw, grew up in BR. . .live in Walker, specifically so my kids aren't subjected to the EBRPSS
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Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:36 am to Roaad
It's all about the money BR would lose.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:50 am to Roaad
All about money and power!
Kip will lose both and he can't let that happen. period as well as a few on the city council who have visions of being mayor.
Kip will lose both and he can't let that happen. period as well as a few on the city council who have visions of being mayor.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:56 am to Roaad
Because in 2014 America its sacrilegious to believe people should have the right to self determination.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:57 am to Holden Caulfield
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Because in 2014 America its sacrilegious to believe people should have the right to self determination.
THIS!!!!!
Posted on 10/12/14 at 10:07 am to papasmurf1269
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It's all about the money BR would lose.
Exactly, which proves they are raping the unincorporated areas. Otherwise, why would they care?
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:06 am to Roaad
1. Because BR is a consolidated form of government. This isn't like other cities in some rural area wanting to incorporate.
2. Unlike Zachary, Baker and Central; St. George isn't a thing. This is basically taking the rest of the parish that isn't in the city and forming a new city. You are setting up areas that will need to compete for retail development, which is a horrible thing to compete for.
3. It is incredible how poorly thought out this is. People who don't know what they are talking about are making promises they can't keep. If the movement had better more thoughtful leaders, this would probably already happened.
It's longer and more complicated than that, but this has been hashed and rehased ad nauseam.
2. Unlike Zachary, Baker and Central; St. George isn't a thing. This is basically taking the rest of the parish that isn't in the city and forming a new city. You are setting up areas that will need to compete for retail development, which is a horrible thing to compete for.
3. It is incredible how poorly thought out this is. People who don't know what they are talking about are making promises they can't keep. If the movement had better more thoughtful leaders, this would probably already happened.
It's longer and more complicated than that, but this has been hashed and rehased ad nauseam.
quote:It's still a bad idea, but with each annexation it becomes less of a problem. The breakaway leaders ought to recognize this and say "this is fine with us. We only want a minimum shell government so we can get an ISD. No new services will be provided. We just have to pay for a mayor and police chief. That is all we will pay for, so don't expect anything else. We could run it off a bake sale if that eases the mind of the EBR folk. They can keep the money needed to run the city, we just want a school district."
Especially with the mall, casino, and LSU staying with BR?
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:27 am to BigJim
Analyze what Baton Rouge is doing on a tax revenue per resident basis, and you will see that the Metro Council is screwing over the residents of the unincorporated areas for the specific benefit of Baton Rouge residents. It will not take long before the revenue available for the unincorporated areas will be insufficient to fund decent services. Do you think the St. George Fire District can maintain its current level of service losing the tax revenues from the properties recently annexed by Baton Rouge and soon to be annexed?
The infrastructure in the unincorporated areas will suffer from less money available for maintenance, to say nothing about money available for improvements. The schools will not be the only issue for the residents of the unincorporated areas then.
The infrastructure in the unincorporated areas will suffer from less money available for maintenance, to say nothing about money available for improvements. The schools will not be the only issue for the residents of the unincorporated areas then.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:36 am to Roaad
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This post was edited on 10/30/14 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:41 am to Asgard Device
Money and the underlying theme of school system issues. It is pretty much a for gone conclusion that if St. George is created then a breakaway school system will happen.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:43 am to cssamerican
No, it's not.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:57 am to Asgard Device
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Why does SG care whether or not the city's major regional shopping centers are in their city limits?
The map was drawn by BR. SG seeks to incorporate all of unincorporated areas in the SE portion of the parish. Some of you act like SG is nothing but the country club and the mall.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:01 pm to LSURussian
Russian, you don't think the breakaway school district will happen if the city is formed? I was under the presumption that it was the whole point of creating the city.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:08 pm to cssamerican
quote:The whole point of creating the city is so a few people can have control of a significant amount of tax dollars.
Russian, you don't think the breakaway school district will happen if the city is formed? I was under the presumption that it was the whole point of creating the city.
Regarding the ISD, I don't think it is a 'foregone' conclusion as you wrote. It's a possibility but unlike the incorporation referendum, a vote would have to pass in all of EBR and statewide as well.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:11 pm to Roaad
Get the signatures and bring it to the ballot. These guys have knocked on my door three times already. Persuade people. Win the battle of ideas. Don't go all limp and then complain that somebody took your Cialis. Get the signatures. Then do the whole self-determination thing.Cart before the horse and all that.
And, for the record, I'm damn happy my kids are "subjected to the EBRPSS". Ms.Pimpette the eldest is on a weekend trip with her BRMHS classmates now, and all of them will be just fine and at University in a year or two.
And, for the record, I'm damn happy my kids are "subjected to the EBRPSS". Ms.Pimpette the eldest is on a weekend trip with her BRMHS classmates now, and all of them will be just fine and at University in a year or two.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:16 pm to LSURussian
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The whole point of creating the city is so a few people can have control of a significant amount of tax dollars
I love how you acknowledge the fight for the SEBR school district 5 min ago, and then you go bipolar on us with this crap.
The fight for the city of SG is a result of being told, in the legislature, that after 2 years of fighting for an ISD we needed to form a city first. Here we are.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:18 pm to Lsupimp
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And, for the record, I'm damn happy my kids are "subjected to the EBRPSS". Ms.Pimpette the eldest is on a weekend trip with her BRMHS classmates now, and all of them will be just fine and at University in a year or two.
Of course you are, and nobody could blame you. I was lucky enough to attend BRHS myself, but therein lies the problem. Luck.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:21 pm to Roaad
Because it's taking away part of its tax base?
They were going after Seigen, Perkins, Casino, MoL so I guess it's good they did care since those businesses help with funding and services.
Are you saying BR shouldn't have cared from the begining or now since they have kicked St George's teeth down their throat? Also, these businesses chose to not be part of St George.
They were going after Seigen, Perkins, Casino, MoL so I guess it's good they did care since those businesses help with funding and services.
Are you saying BR shouldn't have cared from the begining or now since they have kicked St George's teeth down their throat? Also, these businesses chose to not be part of St George.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:27 pm to Roaad
There are only two reasons BR should care:
1) They are just vindictive people
2) The "city-parish" form of government is so confusing and convuluted that it allows the city to be run off of money that is raised outside city limits, and allowing SG to form will take away that money that is being used for city, not parish, services.
The city-parish form of government seems to result in, quite honestly, oppression on the people outside the city limits. When Central split off, it was a small enough area that it did not cause too much damange to the city coffers. If SG is allowed to form, my guess is that the money SG removes from the city-parish coffers will be more than the services it removes cost, proving that the city is living off of money raised outside city limits.
1) They are just vindictive people
2) The "city-parish" form of government is so confusing and convuluted that it allows the city to be run off of money that is raised outside city limits, and allowing SG to form will take away that money that is being used for city, not parish, services.
The city-parish form of government seems to result in, quite honestly, oppression on the people outside the city limits. When Central split off, it was a small enough area that it did not cause too much damange to the city coffers. If SG is allowed to form, my guess is that the money SG removes from the city-parish coffers will be more than the services it removes cost, proving that the city is living off of money raised outside city limits.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:30 pm to Sprocket46
How can anybody with any intellectual honesty make the claim that those who oppose it are against self-determination, when there doesn't seem to be the votes to put it on the ballot. There is a process.
I'd suggest that proponents Quit playing the victim card, get the signatures and have a damn vote. Nothing is preventing that from happening other than the fact that people don't seem to be buying into it . Despite all the hysterical threads here, people just aren't all that excited about a new "St. George". It appears to be losing in the Arena Of Ideas. And that is the essence of self-determination.
I'd suggest that proponents Quit playing the victim card, get the signatures and have a damn vote. Nothing is preventing that from happening other than the fact that people don't seem to be buying into it . Despite all the hysterical threads here, people just aren't all that excited about a new "St. George". It appears to be losing in the Arena Of Ideas. And that is the essence of self-determination.
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