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Lime in food plot questions (plus trail cam pics)
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:29 pm
Ok so we have 113 acres about 15 miles south of Vicksburg, close to the Natchez trace, and this is the first year we have it and will be the first year it ever has had food plots on it. I took soil samples, but haven't dropped them off anywhere. I know it'll be to late this year anyway. My question is would it do any good to mix some 40 or 50 pound sacks of lime with your fertilizer? Or is that not enough to make a difference? If so how many pounds of lime per acre or .5 acres? I'm planting wheat and buck forage oats this coming weekend and my dad has probably 10 sacks of 888 fertilizer leftover from last year that have been kept dry. Should I just use that or should I get the triple 13 I usually use when I do plots down home. Any other advice or comments would be appreciative. So far I'm getting tons of pictures of deer so I'm hoping the foodplots put it over the top.
Bonus pics from trail cams:
Bonus pics from trail cams:
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Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:52 pm to Dylan
Lime never hurts, but you're looking at a lot of lime per acre (at least 1 ton per acre of bulk lime... you'll need a lime buggy for that).
If you don't have time to get the soil tests done, get dolomitic lime. Comes in 40# bags and will react faster than bulk lime. Any that you put out will be better than none.
If you don't have time to get the soil tests done, get dolomitic lime. Comes in 40# bags and will react faster than bulk lime. Any that you put out will be better than none.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:10 pm to Bill Parker?
That's why I ask if theres even a point because I've heard it's usually 1 ton or more per acre and that's not a possibility for this year. Thanks I will look into the cost of that lime.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:58 pm to Dylan
I've heard that the pelleteized lime absorbs quicker than powdered ag lime and it should help this year no matter what you plant.
I bought land in 2007. Best thing I did that year was thin the pulpwood; made an amazing difference in the amount of browse. I wish I had tested the soil and limed/fertilized right. The only thing that did well was the rye-grains and "natural browse" (weeds).
I bought land in 2007. Best thing I did that year was thin the pulpwood; made an amazing difference in the amount of browse. I wish I had tested the soil and limed/fertilized right. The only thing that did well was the rye-grains and "natural browse" (weeds).
Posted on 9/17/14 at 12:08 am to Dylan
I wouldn't put the fertilizer out until you see some plants. Just utilizes it better.
Difference between trip 8 and trip 13 is that there is more filler in the 8 and less fertilizer. With a bag of 8-8-8 fertilizer you divide 100 by 8 you’ll get 12.5. This tells you how many pounds of trip 8 it takes to supply a pound each of nitrogen, phosphate and potassium oxide.
With trip 13 that number is 7.6 pounds of that ratio to yield a pound of each component.
As to the lime. Lime is used to raise ph. If it's in the piney woods, pine needles are very acidic. Most soils in Louisiana need lime but you can overdo it so I wouldn't put much without a soil test.
Difference between trip 8 and trip 13 is that there is more filler in the 8 and less fertilizer. With a bag of 8-8-8 fertilizer you divide 100 by 8 you’ll get 12.5. This tells you how many pounds of trip 8 it takes to supply a pound each of nitrogen, phosphate and potassium oxide.
With trip 13 that number is 7.6 pounds of that ratio to yield a pound of each component.
As to the lime. Lime is used to raise ph. If it's in the piney woods, pine needles are very acidic. Most soils in Louisiana need lime but you can overdo it so I wouldn't put much without a soil test.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 12:23 am to Geauxtiga
Theres hardly a pine on the land. Its 95 percent hardwoods. Thanks for the replys. I'm new to trying to do all this right on a good piece of property. I'm used to just disking and throwing the seed with the triple 13 fertilizer.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 12:26 am to Dylan
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Theres hardly a pine on the land. Its 95 percent hardwoods
Makes a difference. Get the soil tests done with several samples.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 1:05 am to Dylan
quote:I'm not a deer hunter but I know many a deer have been kilt using that method. It's stood the test of time.
Thanks for the replys. I'm new to trying to do all this right on a good piece of property. I'm used to just disking and throwing the seed with the triple 13 fertilizer.
This post was edited on 9/17/14 at 1:06 am
Posted on 9/17/14 at 6:30 am to Geauxtiga
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Lime is used to raise ph. If it's in the piney woods, pine needles are very acidic
you are correct
also, over time (years) fertalizer lowers the soil's pH
Posted on 9/17/14 at 7:07 am to mack the knife
Lime is cheap enough, do at least 80lbs
Posted on 9/17/14 at 7:19 am to Geauxtiga
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wouldn't put the fertilizer out until you see some plants.
This is my method also. I make sure I get the seed in the ground, then fertilize, then lime if I have time. Our land is an old river bed though so it doesn't take much to get it growing.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:00 am to Dylan
What makes you think it's too late to soil test? They usually come back within 10 days to your county agent.
Without a soil test I wouldn't mess around with pH. You can quickly destroy a soil by messing with the pH and to get it back to the optimal level will take more time and money than if you would have waited to get the soil test back.
Without a soil test I wouldn't mess around with pH. You can quickly destroy a soil by messing with the pH and to get it back to the optimal level will take more time and money than if you would have waited to get the soil test back.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 10:56 am to pointdog33
I think it's to late because hunting season is in 2 weeks. If the soil test comes back in 10 days and calls for a ton of lime/acre, then I wouldn't want to bring a dumptruck of lime on the property 4 days before the season.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 8:41 pm to Creamer
quote:That good alluvial soil- I guess you don't have to fetilize it. Lucky dog.
Our land is an old river bed though so it doesn't take much to get it growing.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:14 pm to Geauxtiga
your right by the Miss river! Prime soil. Plant this year worry about it next year. Fertilize it and your golden.
Posted on 9/17/14 at 9:16 pm to Dylan
Even pelletized lime takes several months to be incorporated into the soil. Putting it down now will help for next season.
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