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Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:07 am
Posted by CrackingCodes
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
689 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:07 am
I'm 25, married, average about $85,000/yr with my salary. I am currently putting $450/mo into my Roth and putting 6% into my 401k (if I do 6%, my company will match that with 8%). Given my salary, should I be transitioning the amount I am putting into my Roth, and start putting that towards my 401?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85043 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:16 am to
I would take advantage of the Roth as long as I could. I'm close to your situation but just 2 years older. Roth comes first right now because I may not be able to use it later. At that point, I'll start to backdoor my HSA which I've built up as priority since we had a kid.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 10:17 am
Posted by LSUtiger09
Member since Dec 2009
749 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:32 am to
quote:

I'm 25, married,


Just 4 months ago you were asking the OT's opinion on whether to let your new g/f go to a frat party with your friend. Now all of a sudden you're married?
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2796 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:33 am to
$450 per month is $5400 per year which is just about max you can contribute. The $10,500 total for the 401K and Roth is about 12.4% of your income. In my opinion you are doing it right. Try to increase the 401K by 1% every year or whenever you get a raise. My target would be you end up putting 20% of income towards retirement.

If he wife works don’t forget to max out her 401k to the match and to fund her Roth as well.
Posted by CrackingCodes
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
689 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 10:51 am to
I was drunk one night and figured that thread would be fun. It didn't disappoint
Posted by Blakely Bimbo
Member since Dec 2010
1183 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:02 am to
Anyone with a ROTH needs to keep an eye on the proposed changes to Roth IRA's that is included in the President's 2015 budget.

The proposals are not law and may never pass, but it is worth watching to see what happens. Some interesting new twists in this budget proposal and some old ones from past Roth change proposals that never passed.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:06 am to
What's the deal with it?
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15046 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:14 am to
Isn't it an RMD issue? That's more of a concern for people nearing 65, not really something that a 20-something should worry about or take into account.

Really, the rules will probably change about 50 times between now and when OP retires anyway. Trying to predict that far out is a fools' game.
Posted by Blakely Bimbo
Member since Dec 2010
1183 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:45 am to
RMD. Know OP is 20 something, just throwing out general info for Roth/IRA/401K holders. Again, these are only proposals and likely will not end up as law, but just something to keep an eye on. Especially these provisions.

quote:

Mandatory 5-Year Rule for Non-Spouse Beneficiaries Most IRA (and other retirement plan) non-spouse beneficiaries would be required to empty inherited retirement accounts by the end of the fifth year after the year of the IRA owner’s death (known as the 5-year-rule). The proposal does call for certain exceptions to this rule, such as for disabled beneficiaries and a child who has not yet reached the age of majority. While this proposal might simplify the required minimum distribution (RMD) rules for most beneficiaries, it would mark the death of the “stretch IRA.” Most non-spouse beneficiaries would face more severe tax consequences upon inheriting retirement accounts and as such, the value of these accounts as potential estate planning vehicles would be diminished. Establish a “Cap” on Retirement Savings Prohibiting Additional Contributions New contributions to tax-favored retirement accounts, such as IRAs and 401(k)s, would be prohibited once you’ve exceeded an established “cap.” This cap would be determined by calculating the lump-sum payment that would be required to produce a joint and 100% survivor annuity of $210,000 starting when your turn 62. At the present time, this formula produces a cap of $3.2 million. If you ended up with more than this total in cumulative retirement accounts at the end of a year, you would be prohibited from contributing new dollars to any retirement accounts in the following year. The cap would be increased for inflation.


LINK

Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
27726 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:15 pm to
my company matches dollar for dollar what I put towards my 401k

im fully vested and we have tons of investment options.


very happy, would never change it
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:44 pm to
Open a Roth for your wife and max that out before you add to the 401k above the amount to get the full match.
Posted by CrackingCodes
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
689 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 2:56 pm to
Help me understand this better... This is what a friend of mine is telling me, which sounds right:

If I'm making $85k today, wouldn't I be in a higher tax bracket today than if I were retired? Therefore, I'm paying more in taxes today by putting into a Roth than if I were to take that $450/mo and put it pre tax into my 401.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 2:59 pm to
Just use a traditional Ira if you think that's the case
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34885 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

If I'm making $85k today, wouldn't I be in a higher tax bracket today than if I were retired? Therefore, I'm paying more in taxes today by putting into a Roth than if I were to take that $450/mo and put it pre tax into my 401.


In theory, that is possible. We also have no idea what tax rates are going to be when you retire. That is why it is nice to have tax diversification when you retire. I would contribute to the roth while you still can. 401(k) gives you tax deductions now. Roth gives you tax free, so depending on what rates are, you have two options to take advantage of whatever happens. Once you can no longer contribute to the roth, do a traditional.
Posted by CrackingCodes
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
689 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 3:43 pm to
Thanks for the explanation
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:05 pm to
The correct answer is to eat more beans and rice so you can sock away another $150/month.

ETA: I'm not joking, btw.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 4:06 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51908 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:07 pm to
Wow.


The slippery slope of account value caps scare the shite out of me.
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 9/16/14 at 4:18 pm to
Tax-free growth beats everything except a company match.
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