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My Solution for Political Corruption and Campaign Finance
Posted on 9/6/14 at 11:54 am
Posted on 9/6/14 at 11:54 am
The proposal at its core is two recommendations:
1. Nationally elected officials will have limited property rights.
2. Political contributions will be made anonymously.
In detail:
1. Once someone is elected to Congress/President, the government takes all of their property. From that day forward til they die, they are paid a salary by the government. The salary will be based on the median American income. Not the median income per say, but tied to it so that they have a stake in the overall strength of the economy. They are paid the same once they retire/defeated in reelection attempt. Notice that this removes money as their incentive for continued working as an official. Hopefully, this attracts and keeps those that value public SERVICE.
That salary is the only money they can use. They can't accept large gifts. They can't work any other jobs, even when out of office. Their wives/husbands are tied to the same rules, and therefore will receive the same salary. Government housing can be provided to them in DC while in office.
A department will be created that audits the spending and lifestyles of our current and former officials. Their job will be to discover any spending outside the norm. Any extra money or property that they discover will be confiscated and shared will the government and the individuals that made the discovery. This will keep them motivated. Officials found guilty will be incarcerated.
All of the above is easy. What is complicated is addressing campaign finance. Money is needed for campaigns, no way around it. And people have a right to support ideas and candidates of their choosing. What I propose keeps people's "free speech" in that they can give money to politicians/campaigns, but they can't get individual benefits from those contributions.
2. All political contributions are anonymous. Another department is created. This one is the "middle man." Joe Blow wants to donate to Candidate A. Joe Blow writes a check/sends electronic money to the middle man. They take the check, document the transaction, and send the money to Candidate A's campaign account, without identifing Joe Blow. The middle man is legally obligated to keep the idenity of the contributor a secret. All contributions must come through the middle man. No campaign spending occurs without going thru the middle man. The previously created department in Part 1 can also audit the spending of the campaigns to make sure it is in line with the total number of contributions thru the middle man. Anything left in the candidates campaign fund is frozen after the election. It can be used in future elections. If the politician decides that he is done with office, then the remains of the campaign fund go to the general government pool.
Joe Blow can't tell Candidate A that he gave him money. This would also be illegal. Anything that informs the candidate of who is supporting him financially is illegal. Joe Blow can't buy a radio or TV ad supporting the candidate. Joe Blow can do very small things like put up yard signs and bumper stickers. He can say, "I support Candidate A, and here's why." But beyond yard signs and bumper stickers, he cannot spend any money supporting his candidate without sending it to the middle man, and he can't tell anyone the he sent money to the middle man in support of his candidate.
The middle man requires oversight. 8 years after each election, the middle man is audited. The middle man now must provide the records of who contributed what to whom. Numbers of total contributions sent to the middle man must equal what the candidates received. Failure to provide accurate records or for the numbers to add up correctly, would of course, result in prosecution. This coupled with 8 year term limits for officials, would result in proper middle man oversight without compromising number 2 "All political contributions are anonymous."
1. Nationally elected officials will have limited property rights.
2. Political contributions will be made anonymously.
In detail:
1. Once someone is elected to Congress/President, the government takes all of their property. From that day forward til they die, they are paid a salary by the government. The salary will be based on the median American income. Not the median income per say, but tied to it so that they have a stake in the overall strength of the economy. They are paid the same once they retire/defeated in reelection attempt. Notice that this removes money as their incentive for continued working as an official. Hopefully, this attracts and keeps those that value public SERVICE.
That salary is the only money they can use. They can't accept large gifts. They can't work any other jobs, even when out of office. Their wives/husbands are tied to the same rules, and therefore will receive the same salary. Government housing can be provided to them in DC while in office.
A department will be created that audits the spending and lifestyles of our current and former officials. Their job will be to discover any spending outside the norm. Any extra money or property that they discover will be confiscated and shared will the government and the individuals that made the discovery. This will keep them motivated. Officials found guilty will be incarcerated.
All of the above is easy. What is complicated is addressing campaign finance. Money is needed for campaigns, no way around it. And people have a right to support ideas and candidates of their choosing. What I propose keeps people's "free speech" in that they can give money to politicians/campaigns, but they can't get individual benefits from those contributions.
2. All political contributions are anonymous. Another department is created. This one is the "middle man." Joe Blow wants to donate to Candidate A. Joe Blow writes a check/sends electronic money to the middle man. They take the check, document the transaction, and send the money to Candidate A's campaign account, without identifing Joe Blow. The middle man is legally obligated to keep the idenity of the contributor a secret. All contributions must come through the middle man. No campaign spending occurs without going thru the middle man. The previously created department in Part 1 can also audit the spending of the campaigns to make sure it is in line with the total number of contributions thru the middle man. Anything left in the candidates campaign fund is frozen after the election. It can be used in future elections. If the politician decides that he is done with office, then the remains of the campaign fund go to the general government pool.
Joe Blow can't tell Candidate A that he gave him money. This would also be illegal. Anything that informs the candidate of who is supporting him financially is illegal. Joe Blow can't buy a radio or TV ad supporting the candidate. Joe Blow can do very small things like put up yard signs and bumper stickers. He can say, "I support Candidate A, and here's why." But beyond yard signs and bumper stickers, he cannot spend any money supporting his candidate without sending it to the middle man, and he can't tell anyone the he sent money to the middle man in support of his candidate.
The middle man requires oversight. 8 years after each election, the middle man is audited. The middle man now must provide the records of who contributed what to whom. Numbers of total contributions sent to the middle man must equal what the candidates received. Failure to provide accurate records or for the numbers to add up correctly, would of course, result in prosecution. This coupled with 8 year term limits for officials, would result in proper middle man oversight without compromising number 2 "All political contributions are anonymous."
Posted on 9/6/14 at 12:04 pm to Stingray
It seems just abolishing the income tax would go a long way in starving the beast and eliminating much of the corruption.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 12:08 pm to OleWar
quote:As well as any form of functioning government, but I guess that is part of your goal as well.
It seems just abolishing the income tax would go a long way in starving the beast and eliminating much of the corruption.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 12:34 pm to mmcgrath
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As well as any form of functioning government
What form of functioning government do you speak of. A military and intelligence establishment that is ineffective and corrupt. A government that subsidizes a corrupt banking system. A government that abets a criminal and dysfunctional population. A government that refuses to stop a population invasion of this country that will ultimately balkanize it and destroy it.
Are you arguing that our government and civic institutions did not function before the federal income tax.
This post was edited on 9/6/14 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 9/6/14 at 12:49 pm to OleWar
Maybe you can take your income tax talk to a different thread, as this is for the discussion of the OP.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 12:56 pm to Stingray
Your diagnosis of the problem is too focused on the politicians, when in fact the corruption has its tentacles in a federal bureaucracy which your system would likely empower and corporations that have become adept at manipulating.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:03 pm to OleWar
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Your diagnosis of the problem is too focused on the politicians, when in fact the corruption has its tentacles in a federal bureaucracy which your system would likely empower and corporations that have become adept at manipulating.
I agree. The "middle man" department seems perfect for super corruption- inside and out.
I think campaign contributions should be 100% transparent. Everyone should know who is funding who.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:18 pm to OleWar
quote:
Your diagnosis of the problem is too focused on the politicians, when in fact the corruption has its tentacles in a federal bureaucracy which your system would likely empower and corporations that have become adept at manipulating.
please be more specific
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:20 pm to Pinecone Repair
quote:
I agree. The "middle man" department seems perfect for super corruption- inside and out.
My post sets out protections against that. Please state how you see that corruption taking place.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:29 pm to Stingray
Who appoints the head of the this department or (New Federal Election Commission?, how many people are in these departments? who sets it budget? Is everyone in the federal government paid the median salary and are they not allowed to own property?
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:37 pm to OleWar
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Is everyone in the federal government paid the median salary and are they not allowed to own property?
1. Nationally elected officials will have limited property rights
quote:
Who appoints the head of the this department or (New Federal Election Commission?, how many people are in these departments? who sets it budget?
I created a system of checks to govern this department. Audits that check compliance, and commissions that reward work. Auditors collect evidence against officials and it is decided in trial.
I don't have answers to the above questions at this time. What problems do you see that revolve around your above questions? I bet there are measures we can come up with to mitigate those concerns.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 1:57 pm to Stingray
How many people handle the checks for all campaign contributions at the "middle man department "?
Let's say 300 (its the fed gov so probably more like 3k) those people hold valuable info and lots of opportunities for someones paperwork to "leak" and expose confidential info. Party in power could use the middle man information to target people for their contributions and manipulate people to donate to their candidates. Don't donate to the right party or people then suddenly the IRS is auditing you and has decided to freeze your accounts,or maybe the FBI gets a "tip" that you're involved in some questionable activities,etc.
I don't think the solution is more gov.
Let's say 300 (its the fed gov so probably more like 3k) those people hold valuable info and lots of opportunities for someones paperwork to "leak" and expose confidential info. Party in power could use the middle man information to target people for their contributions and manipulate people to donate to their candidates. Don't donate to the right party or people then suddenly the IRS is auditing you and has decided to freeze your accounts,or maybe the FBI gets a "tip" that you're involved in some questionable activities,etc.
I don't think the solution is more gov.
This post was edited on 9/6/14 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 9/6/14 at 2:06 pm to Pinecone Repair
quote:
Let's say 300 (its the fed gov so probably more like 3k) those people hold valuable info and lots of opportunities for someones paperwork to "leak" and expose confidential info. Party in power could use the middle man information to target people for their contributions and manipulate people to donate to their candidates. Don't donate to the right party or people then suddenly the IRS is auditing you and has decided to freeze your accounts,or maybe the FBI gets a "tip" that you're involved in some questionable activities,etc
I don't see how this is any different than what we have now, except that my system is an improvement in that the leak is made illegal, thus making your example less likely in my system.
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I don't think the solution is more gov.
My system takes personal gain away from politicians and it makes bribes very, very difficult. I bet this will result in less government.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 2:27 pm to Stingray
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I don't see how this is any different than what we have now, except that my system is an improvement in that the leak is made illegal,
Why make contributions secret?
I just fail to see how less public access to info solves the problem. You've created more government and less transparency. More opportunities for corruption and cronyism while also increasing the chance for corrupt politicians to target people for donating to candidates they believe would best represent them. This would pave the way for a permanent single-party dictatorship. No one would feel free to support the opposition.
quote:
thus making your example less likely in my system.
Have you been keeping up with the IRS targeting?
Posted on 9/6/14 at 2:31 pm to Stingray
Smedley Butler wrote one way to end war would be upon a declaration of war all the Generals, Admirals, Congressmen, and even those involved in the war industry would receive the income of the lowest private. I have always been rather partial to this idea.
However my biggest fear to your idea would be that more mediocre people would join government and desire to make the rest of society mediocre out of spite.
However my biggest fear to your idea would be that more mediocre people would join government and desire to make the rest of society mediocre out of spite.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 2:32 pm to Stingray
quote:Put Edwin Edwards out to pasture
My Solution for Political Corruption and Campaign Finance
Posted on 9/6/14 at 2:42 pm to OleWar
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However my biggest fear to your idea would be that more mediocre people would join government and desire to make the rest of society mediocre out of spite.
The current system takes people and corrupts them.
I think we need to do something to improve the quality of people in Washington. The current situation is very bad, let's try something else.
I think that people with less personal self interest and more group interest will be attracted to this position. Even if they change while in office and become spiteful, why would they run again? They would just bow out, and continue to collect the same check yet not have to do a job. And as stated above, my system has term limits.
Posted on 9/6/14 at 2:44 pm to Pinecone Repair
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More opportunities for corruption and cronyism
How?
How do you bribe someone who has limited property rights?
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