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NYT Editorial: how to deal with ISIS
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:51 pm
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:57 pm to Northwestern tiger
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Among them is Saudi Arabia’s highest religious authority, the grand mufti, who called ISIS and Al Qaeda the “enemy No. 1 of Islam.”
This part is interesting to me as my current supposed understanding is that the Saudi royals are against the religious uprising as it threatens their position, but the Sunni extremists in Saudi are pro-ISIS.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:02 pm to Stingray
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This part is interesting to me as my current supposed understanding is that the Saudi royals are against the religious uprising as it threatens their position, but the Sunni extremists in Saudi are pro-ISIS.
every sunni extremists is pro ISIS, the key question is how many of them are! i think the majority of Muslims are not Pro ISIS. But you never know, not without elections, which is a dangerous thing to have in the Me (Libya and Syria but not Tunisia).
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:08 pm to Northwestern tiger
People like in this article keep saying that Muslims must admit that there is a religious component to ISIS. Why are we asking them to admit this when our own government won't dare say there is a connection?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:11 pm to Revelator
would it make any difference if they said it directly? Besides, I'm pretty sure everyone knows it. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:16 pm to Northwestern tiger
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would it make any difference if they said it directly? Besides, I'm pretty sure everyone knows it. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out
It makes a big difference in knowing how your enemy thinks if you study his motivation. Plus if our government would say it publicly, more pressure would be put on Muslims to reign in the fanatics. We are giving them cover by ignoring the elephant In the room.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:21 pm to Revelator
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t makes a big difference in knowing how your enemy thinks if you study his motivation.
Huh?
You think the common people in Arab countries are scared if they know we're studying their motivation! what does that even mean?
Yeah you might have some leverage over the ruler but even the HE can't do anything about it, because he is a dictator. Oh and they're rich , Qatar and Saudi Arabia can survive now without the US, and that's the only leverage we have over them
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:09 pm to Northwestern tiger
I think we should level Al Raqqa as that is the power base and their most governed city. The innocent and good are gone from there.
Iran, Turkey and Saudi should step up.
Saudi pisses me off, I have seen that the US air force transports new private vehicles for Saudi military leaders. I though that was shitty. But a air force FB friend took the picture in his loadmaster.
Iran, Turkey and Saudi should step up.
Saudi pisses me off, I have seen that the US air force transports new private vehicles for Saudi military leaders. I though that was shitty. But a air force FB friend took the picture in his loadmaster.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:26 pm to Northwestern tiger
quote:Oh good, and here I thought it was going to be just another one of those warmongering propaganda pieces.
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ISIS will require an organized, longer-term response involving a broad coalition of nations, including other Muslim countries, and addressing not only the military threat but political and religious issues.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 11:27 pm to Northwestern tiger
quote:Stop creating, training, and funding them?
how to deal with ISIS
Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:32 am to TX Tiger
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Stop creating, training, and funding them?
Too late now, damage has been done
Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:38 am to Northwestern tiger
quote:Obviously the solution would be to elect Mitt Romney so he could engage them in a staring contest.
NYT Editorial: how to deal with ISIS
But seriously, recognizing them as "not our problem" is the first step. If Syria tells us not to attack ISIS within its borders then we really shouldn't go in to help until they beg us.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:40 am to Napoleon
There are still lots of innocent people in Raqqa. Watch some of the Vice videos and you'll see there is definitely a part of that culture that doesn't want them there.
One thing that I've thought about here is how quickly they've taken over parts of Iraq and Syria. This isn't just a bunch of rag tag thugs out on a bullying walkabout. There is some serious military thinking behind what they've been doing. I know that the Iraqi and Syrian militaries aren't the Army Rangers, but they shouldn't have folded that quickly.
One thing that I've thought about here is how quickly they've taken over parts of Iraq and Syria. This isn't just a bunch of rag tag thugs out on a bullying walkabout. There is some serious military thinking behind what they've been doing. I know that the Iraqi and Syrian militaries aren't the Army Rangers, but they shouldn't have folded that quickly.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:51 am to mmcgrath
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But seriously, recognizing them as "not our problem" is the first step. If Syria tells us not to attack ISIS within its borders then we really shouldn't go in to help until they beg us.
I'm pretty sure they want us to attack so bad, they are begging. This might as well save Asad
Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:52 am to bamarep
We should deal with all terrorist with:
Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:53 am to bamarep
The reason for this quick rise of Isis has everything to do with how the local Sunni population feel discriminated against by majority Shiias in Iraq and other minorities in Syria
Posted on 8/26/14 at 7:56 am to Northwestern tiger
F Syria, we don't have to save them. Let Russia do it, they are invested in Syria. If Russia doesn't save them then fine, let Assad get over thrown then bomb the hell out of ISIS.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:13 am to Northwestern tiger
is this the part where i'm supposed to be happy about our government killing essentially the "terrorists" it helped produced?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 8:45 am to Northwestern tiger
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the local Sunni population feel discriminated against by majority Shiias in Iraq and other minorities in Syria
This, America went with the Shia in Iraq and they got fat and lazy with a quickness.
ISIS is now self sustaining but initial funding absolutely came from Saudi Arabia.
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