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It's amazing how the narrative is changing

Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:30 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:30 pm
Now that it's obvious how great Anthony Davis is now, rather than how great he might become, the talk is no longer of losing trades, but of how good these young veterans can be next to Davis.

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This season, if they can stay healthy the Pelicans are a playoff team in the West.

Which is why this note from GM Dell Demps, via Nakia Hogan of the Times-Picayune, is a good sign.

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Demps said Eric Gordon, Jrue Holiday and Ryan Anderson appear to be healthy. Players have been working out in different parts of country—
nakia hogan (@nakiahogan) August 19, 2014


The Pelicans are a team on the rise that had a great off-season. They have the fastest rising star in the NBA in Anthony Davis, a guy primed to breakout into the public consciousness using Team USA this summer as the springboard. Within a couple years he’ll be the third best player in the NBA.

But New Orleans needed a real center to pair with him, so they went and got Omer Asik from the Rockets during Houston’s “clear out the cap space” sale. He is a perfect fit next to Davis and may give New Orleans the best defensive front line in the NBA. Then they can bring Anderson, one of the game’s best stretch fours, off the bench (Davis and Anderson had crazy good +/- numbers when paired last season).

Then if the Holiday/Gordon backcourt steps up and Tyreke Evans can give them anything, you’ve really got something.

Something that will start with a trip to the playoffs next season.

LINK

Thanks for taking the summer off and letting AD have the spotlight KD.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 4:47 pm to
Rose used Team USA a few years back to catapult into MVP talk.

It can be a nice springboard, even in FIBA.

If he is THE MAN for Team USA, and then plays well, he will be firmly in the national spotlight.
Posted by tbrig3211
New Orleans
Member since May 2006
2601 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 5:44 pm to
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Within a couple years he’ll be the third best player in the NBA.


He's already the third best player in the NBA. In a couple seasons he may be the best.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 5:51 pm to
The problem with taking any credence into that narrative is that it is always prefaced with these five nasty words:

"If they can stay healthy"


I think there is little doubt that the current talent-level of this roster would rank at least among the top 8 in the West. The problem is not talent, rather it's that we have one starter with chronic knee problems, another starter coming off a knee surgery and another core player coming off of a serious back operation.

The fact of the matter is that we have not been able to stay healthy.
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:01 pm to
If AD can dominate on the USA team, he will be considered the 3rd best by just about everyone. Why is this important? Players want to play next to great players. The Pelicans have talented players who have to believe they can win and are never out of a game. The LeBrons, Durants and Duncans of the world bring that to the court every night; and the other guys feed off of it and they give maximum effort. AD has a chance to prove he's the "go to" guy when it counts and elevate himself in rarefied air among the super-elite in the NBA.

If he shines the next 4 weeks, the Pelican will not only turn the corner...they'll be building a super highway.
Posted by LosLobos111
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:06 pm to
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The problem is not talent, rather it's that we have one starter with chronic knee problems, another starter coming off a knee surgery and another core player coming off of a serious back operation.


2 of those(Jrue/Ryno) were freak injuries to be fair.

They've both been fairly healthy in their careers(Jrue missed 5 games in 4 years)
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
7307 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:13 pm to
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They've both been fairly healthy in their careers


That's a fact.

One thing I'm convinced of is EG will be on the floor if he's even close to 100%; he has to know that his expiring contract makes him a poster boy for a trade at the end of this coming season.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
40925 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:21 pm to
i really need to go take the over on whatever futures wins they have up for the Pels before it goes higher. someone said it's at 40. if this team isn't over .500 at the end of the season, I quit.
Posted by whoknows1390
nola
Member since Jul 2014
1672 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:37 pm to
yep its 40. just got done making a futures on the saints patriots Super Bowl(100-1) and i strolled over to NBA futures.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
40925 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:39 pm to
what website?
Posted by whoknows1390
nola
Member since Jul 2014
1672 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:45 pm to
betus--been using it for a while i like it and they actually pay out.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70773 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:53 pm to
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2 of those(Jrue/Ryno) were freak injuries to be fair.

They've both been fairly healthy in their careers(Jrue missed 5 games in 4 years)


I'm not so much worried about Jrue as I am about Ryno. Those back injuries can kill a career no matter how versatile they were before the injury.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
40925 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 6:58 pm to
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:00 pm to
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, another starter coming off a knee surgery


Jrue was a shin. His issue was bone, not joint. The longterm prognosis on his injury is pretty good.

Like you said, Ryno is the worrisome one. I know firsthand how nagging a back injury can be. Even when you "play through it," you are definitely limited by it. I haven't had surgery, though. Maybe he can come back as good as new.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:02 pm to
Nice to see good pub from a large outlet. Not really a fan of PBT, but whatever. I'll take clumsy writing if it helps raise the team's pr

Mahoney had this on Friday

LINK

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Such was a tough turn for a team that had, in its construction, made hefty salary commitments and given up long-term assets for the sake of moving forward. Holiday is the most notable case, as the Pelicans surrendered two top 10 picks (yielding Nerlens Noel in 2013 and Elfrid Payton in 2014) in their acquisition of the 24-year-old point guard. That's not a move made lightly, nor one made without immediate competitive intent.


Photo: Greg Nelson/SI
The same could be said of the substantial contracts doled out to Anderson (four years, $34 million) and Tyreke Evans (four years, $44 million) last summer. In all, these moves assembled a fascinating core around Davis: Talented players with some proof of production, none of whom was older than 25. The Pelicans' core five could then play and grow together over a long term, with every minute of some value in fostering development and continuity. Instead, the season itself ground the Pelicans against stone; one by one their ranks were thinned, all while Davis stretched to incredible lengths to keep his team afloat. Even their 34 wins—the 12th-best total in the West—was something of a triumph under the circumstances.


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With better health, the Pelicans will soon pick up where they'd hoped to begin. The fundamental difference is the play of Davis, who in the past year has come so far so fast as to reframe what the Pelicans might be capable of. They remain, even in the most idealistic conception, a flawed team; those core five players are sorely lacking as a defensive unit, particularly in guarding explosive scorers on the wing. Still, that core thrived in limited minutes together last season on offensive explosion alone. There isn't a single go-to scorer in the mix, but the combination of Davis, Anderson and Holiday stretches defenses to contortion on the basis of skill set alone.


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Even after Anderson and Holiday missed so much time to injury, however, the Davis-led Pelicans came within a stone's throw of top 10 offensive efficiency. New Orleans could break that threshold in the coming season simply on the basis of having its supporting cast more consistently available. With any other development on the part of Davis or the Pelicans' other "young veterans," this offense could grow into high potency. That in itself would position New Orleans to be far more competitive this season, to say nothing of the defensive gains in returning Holiday to guard the perimeter and adding Omer Asik to clean up the back line. In those two aspects alone the Pelicans now have far more ability to defend the most consistently dangerous position in the NBA (point guard) and the most important space on the floor (the restricted area). Might that be enough to inch New Orleans, which ranked 25th last season in points allowed per possession, to defensive competence?
If so, the scope and outlook of the Pelicans' season changes entirely. One can dwell on the maneuvers of New Orleans' front office, which have been clumsy and at times dubious. The long-term success of this group, too, could ultimately be defined by its basketball limitations and salary obligations. Yet at present these Pelicans march to capability in a conference that all but demands it.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22096 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 8:51 pm to
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Even after Anderson and Holiday missed so much time to injury, however, the Davis-led Pelicans came within a stone's throw of top 10 offensive efficiency.
Which is crazy. NBA tv has been replaying some of the better games of last season and they showed Davis' 40/21 game against Boston a few days ago. The offense was sooooooooooooo bad that game and we still ended up scoring well over 100 pts in regulation. Botched fast breaks, missed layups...

So much Roberts 25 feet from the rim with his head down, dribbling out the shot clock. So much waiting until 6 secs left on the shot clock to call to a big man over from the other side of the court for a screen.

And Aminu playing some of the dumbest basketball of all time at the end of the game, fouling Jeff Green over and over
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:43 pm to
Speaking of narratives

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James Harden's the best basketball player alive, according to James Harden

...When ESPN.com's Scoop Jackson asked the Team USA member to name his pick for the best basketball player alive right now, the hirstute Houston Rockets guard didn't hesitate to point that finger back his way:

Scoop: Bottom line, you are on this team and a lot of players aren't, but in your mind, who is the best basketball player alive right now?

Harden: Myself.

Wait, what? Perhaps the 24-year-old didn't hear right. After all, Jackson hadn't finished asking the full question.

Scoop: That's what I was about to say, "including you." You made that sound like it was an easy answer.

Harden: It is. Myself.


LINK
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
15169 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:46 pm to
I spent some time thinking about it, and I have come to understand exactly what separates James Harden from Eric Gordon:


















Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 11:53 pm to
Flapping all over the place. This season will be the Tits.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 8/20/14 at 1:06 am to
I'm really glad to see them getting some good pub.

Last year and during the season it seemed to be few and far between from writers.

I'm curious as to why there was so much of the latter last year? Was it because in the media's eyes we built "the wrong way"?.
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