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if you think National Guard to the border is overreaction
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 7/23/14 at 11:56 pm
read this,
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further if you think the government just "doesn't know what's going on" in regards to the border activity, read the linked attachment on specialized Alien Smuggling.
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Then realize this was all written over a year ago!
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further if you think the government just "doesn't know what's going on" in regards to the border activity, read the linked attachment on specialized Alien Smuggling.
LINK
Then realize this was all written over a year ago!
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as noted above, Hizballah’s presence, narcotrafficking, and terrorist activities are all enabled by the expanding presence of Iran in the Hemisphere. Iran’s own presence, in particular in South America, expanded significantly in the years after 2005, when Mahmud Ahmadinejad became president of Iran. As Alberto Nisman, the Argentinean prosecutor, explained in his May 2013 indictment, the numerous new diplomatic facilities and Islamic Centers that Iran opened across the region provided the cover slots Iran needed to accommodate IRGC/Qods Force and MOIS operatives in countries that include Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Guyana, Paraguay, Surinam, Trinidad and Tobago, and Uruguay.
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“Special interest aliens” are defined as those from places that pose a terrorist threat to the U.S. Ranchers tell of finding abandoned prayer rugs and Qur’ans on their land, while the special night vision cameras they set up catch images of border crossers who drop to the ground, facing towards the east, to pray just as the sun is coming up.
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 7:36 am
Posted on 7/24/14 at 12:10 am to Jagd Tiger
Posted on 7/24/14 at 12:13 am to Jim Rockford
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Border sheriffs slam Perry's plan as 'political,' not what's needed.
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sheriffs said spending money to hire more deputies and police makes more sense. Lucio said deputies, police and the U.S. Border Patrol work well together and that they have been able to handle the small uptick in crime along the border.
why yes, they're doing a bang up job aren't they,, I can certainly see why we should just "give them more money".
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 12:14 am
Posted on 7/24/14 at 1:33 am to Jagd Tiger
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why yes, they're doing a bang up job aren't they,, I can certainly see why we should just "give them more money".
It costs a lot of money to mobilize and deploy the Guard and, at best, it's a very temporary solution. You can't keep them permanently assigned to the border. The sheriffs are right that the money would be better spent building on what's already in place.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 1:41 am to Layabout
The problem is that the system in place puts them on a bus to various parts of the country to be fed and housed at our expense.Why would we want to throw any addition money at that shitshow?
Posted on 7/24/14 at 2:00 am to Wolf
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The problem is that the system in place puts them on a bus to various parts of the country to be fed and housed at our expense.Why would we want to throw any addition money at that shitshow?
So your solution is to have the national guard stop them in their tracks at the border? Do you realize how long that border is and how many troops it would take to patrol it the way you envision? Not going to happen and we'll still have the same number of people who make it across and are entitled to a judicial hearing before being deported.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 2:54 am to Layabout
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So your solution is to have the national guard stop them in their tracks at the border? Do you realize how long that border is and how many troops it would take to patrol it the way you envision? Not going to happen and we'll still have the same number of people who make it across and are entitled to a judicial hearing before being deported.
Border Agents have deportation authority for illegals caught within a 100 mile range of the US border and less than 14 days in country. So National Guard can hold them, call a border agent and send them right back. Law has been in effect since 2004
Posted on 7/24/14 at 3:03 am to Layabout
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It costs a lot of money to mobilize and deploy the Guard and, at best, it's a very temporary solution. You can't keep them permanently assigned to the border.
Heard of a place called South Korea?
Posted on 7/24/14 at 4:53 am to Layabout
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and are entitled to a judicial hearing before being deported.
The word that liberals love, that's killing our country.
LC
Posted on 7/24/14 at 5:52 am to LaFlyer
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Border Agents have deportation authority for illegals caught within a 100 mile range of the US border and less than 14 days in country. So National Guard can hold them, call a border agent and send them right back. Law has been in effect since 2004
That's not the case for minors from Central America.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 6:57 am to Layabout
The border agents are federal. The Guard reports to Perry. It's not about costs. Why give more money to people who aren't getting the job done and don't report to Perry (sheriffs included)?
Posted on 7/24/14 at 7:34 am to Layabout
That argument doesn't hold water bro. We have troops on many borders across the globe, but don't have them on our own border. That's a problem.
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It costs a lot of money to mobilize and deploy the Guard and, at best, it's a very temporary solution. You can't keep them permanently assigned to the border. The sheriffs are right that the money would be better spent building on what's already in place.
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 7:35 am
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:11 am to Jagd Tiger
The national guard aren't allowed to do anything other than to observe and report. 1000 men to break up into shifts and squads to observe 1200+ miles of border isn't a big deal. They may stop a few, but it'll be a small percentage.
I'm not sure how much it costs, but it's better than nothing though, I guess.
I'm not sure how much it costs, but it's better than nothing though, I guess.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:26 am to Jagd Tiger
the national guard on the boarder may be a solution, but I think there needs to be a way to prevent people from crossing or border without anyone knowing. IF people come into this country than are caught you aren't fixing the problem.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:37 am to Jagd Tiger
Basically, the hegemony of the western world is crumbling after 500 years of dominance. Open borders in the US and Europe is allowing 3rd world immigrants to enter and basically overthrow the governments from within. It will only get worse as the century progresses.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:53 am to LaFlyer
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So your solution is to have the national guard stop them in their tracks at the border? Do you realize how long that border is and how many troops it would take to patrol it the way you envision? Not going to happen and we'll still have the same number of people who make it across and are entitled to a judicial hearing before being deported.
Border Agents have deportation authority for illegals caught within a 100 mile range of the US border and less than 14 days in country. So National Guard can hold them, call a border agent and send them right back. Law has been in effect since 2004
There's a strange thing that happens when you pick people up here and send them right back to the other side.... after a few attempts, they quit coming.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 8:57 am to Layabout
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and are entitled to a judicial hearing before being deported.
That's not true and should not be true.
Imagine I just walked into your house one day and then was immediately entitled to a judicial hearing before being determined if I have to leave or not.
The game as determined by this administration is "get here and you can stay" - period.
Also known as: "go ahead, cut in line of those attempting to come legally".
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 8:58 am
Posted on 7/24/14 at 9:06 am to Meauxjeaux
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That's not true and should not be true.
You're right it's not true
Homeland Security officials described the immigration courts — which hear pleas for asylum and other appeals to remain in the country — as sluggish and cumbersome, saying illegal immigrants often wait more than a year before being deported, straining the capacity of detention centers and draining critical resources. Under the new system, immigrants will typically be deported within eight days of their apprehension, officials said.
Immigration legislation passed in 1996 allows the immigration service to deport certain groups of illegal aliens without judicial oversight, but until now the agency only permitted officials at the nation's airports and seaports to do so. The new rule will apply to illegal aliens caught within 100 miles of the Mexican and Canadian borders who have spent 14 days or less within the United States. The border agents will focus on deporting third-country nationals, rather than Mexicans or Canadians, and they are expected to begin exercising their new powers on Aug. 24 in Tucson and Laredo, Tex.
Posted on 7/24/14 at 9:34 am to Meauxjeaux
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There's a strange thing that happens when you pick people up here and send them right back to the other side.... after a few attempts, they quit coming.
You couldn't be more mistaken
Edit to add: A few years ago my brother used to live in an upscale condo complex. Well, right across the street was slumlord ghetto.....overrun by illegal immigrants. For reasons that will go unnamed, my brother and a few of these guys used to run around together and the illegal guys would inevitably end up detained by the police. They'd be deported and sure enough, 7-10 days later they were back at the complex.
I once asked them if it got tiring having to circumvent Johnny Law and they would always say no - this is our home so we just find another way in.
This post was edited on 7/24/14 at 9:39 am
Posted on 7/24/14 at 9:49 am to Jagd Tiger
Governors mobilize the national guard for flooding. Having a ton of illegals pour over the border, and using the Guard to keep an eye on things, doesn't seem like an overreaction at all IMO.
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