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Looking at the FB season 50 years ago
Posted on 7/13/14 at 3:48 am
Posted on 7/13/14 at 3:48 am
The 1964 team offense scored > 20 points only 1 game (27-7W @ UK) and 20 vs N Car.(20-3W) in 8-2-1 (overall) season under C Cholly Mac in his 3rd campaign! What would rant do to him for this type offense production?
However, the Defense allowed > 10 points only 1 game (6-20L to Gators in game delayed from hurricane Hilda I believe)!
That team ended in Sugar Bowl defeating a good Syracuse team 13-10! Recall watching it on black and white set as a youngster!
Any other old timers remember?
Bring on da Badgers!
However, the Defense allowed > 10 points only 1 game (6-20L to Gators in game delayed from hurricane Hilda I believe)!
That team ended in Sugar Bowl defeating a good Syracuse team 13-10! Recall watching it on black and white set as a youngster!
Any other old timers remember?
Bring on da Badgers!
This post was edited on 7/13/14 at 3:54 am
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Posted on 7/13/14 at 3:54 am to jhhingle
Impossible to compare, totally different eras of offense.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 4:12 am to jhhingle
CSB.
And you use exclamation points too much.
And you use exclamation points too much.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 6:03 am to jhhingle
I believe this was the last year that the platoon system was used, making it quite a landmark year for the "totally different eras" idea.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 7:02 am to ballscaster
My senior year in high school. Great defensive team with just enough offense. Was at the Sugar Bowl. If memory serves, they held a pretty good RB, Floyd Little, to less than 30 yards.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 10:26 am to jhhingle
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What would rant do to him for this type offense production?
I don't know, what would a typical team score back then? Totally different times, the game was played with different rules, teams didn't pass nearly as often, the athletes weren't as highly trained, etc.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 11:25 am to Tigerntx
Yes my thought too and Floyd was not a common sight for SEC teams the era but obviously a speedster that ran up against a brick wall that day!
Also, looking at Cholly Mac initial 5 seasons:
62- scored >20 4 games
63- scored >20 3 games
64- 2 as mentioned
65- scored >30 6 games
66- scored >20 3 games
So yes was never offense machine (except 65) as several said the platoon system in effect and different species of athletes and offense schemes etc.
And, 4 of the 5 years those > 20 games vs our green wave friends
Also, looking at Cholly Mac initial 5 seasons:
62- scored >20 4 games
63- scored >20 3 games
64- 2 as mentioned
65- scored >30 6 games
66- scored >20 3 games
So yes was never offense machine (except 65) as several said the platoon system in effect and different species of athletes and offense schemes etc.
And, 4 of the 5 years those > 20 games vs our green wave friends
Posted on 7/13/14 at 11:48 am to jhhingle
I've watched some of those 60's replays. It was almost mandatory to run twice up the middle on first and second down, and either throw or run a draw on third down.
Heck, '64 was just a few years removed from Vaught and Dietzel getting a lead and punting on 3rd down.
Heck, '64 was just a few years removed from Vaught and Dietzel getting a lead and punting on 3rd down.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 11:52 am to jhhingle
Remember well the season and the game. Apples to oranges comparing that era's scoring to now. I'd venture to say the Tiger's offense was about average statistically while their defense was, as usual in the Mac era, well above average. Coach Mac's teams were always tough; almost always over-achieved. Here's to him. 
Posted on 7/13/14 at 12:11 pm to RANDY44
Agree; guess my point is that Coach Mac and CLM could be compered somewhat in same light albeit the different era's!
Posted on 7/13/14 at 12:20 pm to jhhingle
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Agree; guess my point is that Coach Mac and CLM could be compered somewhat in same light albeit the different era's!
I've always thought there were very many parallels between the two.
They both followed coaches who won titles and had to labor in the shadows of their predecessors with their own fan base and in general.
Neither were very proficient in the spoken word and suffered in perception with some because of it.
Both were imperfect souls but in relation to their peers in a pretty seedy business were mostly stand up guys.
The biggest difference for me is Les can recruit. Mac left that largely to the McKeithen's and Corbett's and suffered in that regard when they were no longer there and fell behind at the end of this tenure.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 12:32 pm to Tiger Ugly
Right, and Cholly Mac inability to defeat (except 69-70) his nemesis who was considered the best coach at the time (familiar)!
CLM will ultimately win more titles due his recruiting (and coordinators).
CLM will ultimately win more titles due his recruiting (and coordinators).
Posted on 7/13/14 at 12:47 pm to jhhingle
In the 1964 loss to Florida, the Gators' QB was Steve Spurrier,
the Heisman Trophy winner that season. Syracuse also had another stalwart running back ... Jim Nance.
the Heisman Trophy winner that season. Syracuse also had another stalwart running back ... Jim Nance.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 1:13 pm to Tiger Ugly
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Heck, '64 was just a few years removed from Vaught and Dietzel getting a lead and punting on 3rd down.
Ugly, Vaught was punting on FIRST down in the 1959 game in Tiger Stadium. Three times he did this, because by late 3rd quarter he knew we couldn't move on his defense, and the more we handled the ball the more likely a fumble and an easy Ole Miss score.
Passing was not done as much in the 60's as now. At the time an offensive lineman could not use his hands to block a pass rusher. His hands were fisted and up against his jersey. A 50% completion percentage was a good passer then because of the lack of time for the QB. Once the rules were changed to allow an offensive lineman to use his hands the completion percentages rose to 65%.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 3:57 pm to Tiger Ugly
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The biggest difference for me is Les can recruit.
He also wins a hell of a lot more. There's always that.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 4:49 pm to kizomich
Last year of the three team system. I was an LSU sophomore living in South Stadium. Beat Ole Miss in a thriller, 11-10. Mac went for 2 after a late score following a fumbled Ole Miss punt.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 5:05 pm to kizomich
I was a kid then. I think it was the first game I really watched. Prior to that daddy had it on am radio 870am New Orleans at night only. Very few day games on TV. KNOE ch. 8 in Monroe had it on and we all watched it on black and white.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 6:50 pm to TupeloTiger
I was at the 1964 Florida game. Don't remember much about the game but I do remember getting my first Cajun gumbo.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 6:58 pm to jhhingle
quote:
Impossible to compare, totally different eras of offense.
What he said.
Posted on 7/13/14 at 7:53 pm to kizomich
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He also wins a hell of a lot more. There's always that.
I haven't crunched the numbers, but Mac from 62-73 had a pretty darn good winning percentage, and I'll bet very close to Les's.
Divide East and West and have a championship game like they do to day, with a BCS system similar to today...maybe LSU plays for a title in '69.
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