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re: Arsenal 2014/15 Season Long Thread
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:46 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:46 am to StraightCashHomey21
This EPL season in general sucks ...
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:52 am to StraightCashHomey21
I assume that is Piers Morgan?
I remember Piers Morgan virtually denouncing his fandom, claiming Spurs were the new king in North London two years ago, after Arsenal lost to them late in the season. Arsenal then went unbeaten the remaining way and topped Spurs for the last Champs League spot. Morgan is an idiot; a reactional, border-line fair weather fan, quick to jump off the ship when things get rocky.
What's funny is if Wilshere scores and Arsenal win, he doesn't write the column. Morgan complains of poor tactics but tactics weren't the issue in my mind; it was the poor finishing. United were held to nearly nothing on offense for the entire game and most of the time that results in a win.
Wenger has been stubborn and perplexing in the transfer market, amongst other things, but he's not controlling what Wilshere does with the ball in that moment. A coach shoulders the blame eventually but an objective person knows Wenger didn't miss that shot.
I don't think Arsenal is far away, especially given the injury plague. But it's no secret Arsenal have been below the standard Wenger set himself, so I suppose that's what's been eating everyone and creating a sense of failure.
I remember Piers Morgan virtually denouncing his fandom, claiming Spurs were the new king in North London two years ago, after Arsenal lost to them late in the season. Arsenal then went unbeaten the remaining way and topped Spurs for the last Champs League spot. Morgan is an idiot; a reactional, border-line fair weather fan, quick to jump off the ship when things get rocky.
What's funny is if Wilshere scores and Arsenal win, he doesn't write the column. Morgan complains of poor tactics but tactics weren't the issue in my mind; it was the poor finishing. United were held to nearly nothing on offense for the entire game and most of the time that results in a win.
Wenger has been stubborn and perplexing in the transfer market, amongst other things, but he's not controlling what Wilshere does with the ball in that moment. A coach shoulders the blame eventually but an objective person knows Wenger didn't miss that shot.
I don't think Arsenal is far away, especially given the injury plague. But it's no secret Arsenal have been below the standard Wenger set himself, so I suppose that's what's been eating everyone and creating a sense of failure.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:56 am to gallagherkck
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tactics weren't the issue in my mind
The only tactical issue was pushing WAY too much for an equalizer. Per should've never been where he was.
Otherwise, we were dominant in terms of tactics. We've played really well against City, Chelsea, and United and have a point to show for it. I don't put any of those on Wenger in terms of how he managed the game, really.
The 4-1-4-1 actually looked great and is getting better every game. That's why I wonder how Ozil fits back in when he returns. Perhaps on the left, Alexis on the right, and Welbeck up top, but then Theo and Ox are out of the mix. I'd hope we'd go back to 4-2-3-1 and leave Ramsey out for Arteta-Wilshere behind Alexis-Ozil-Theo behind Welbeck/Giroud.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:09 am to Stewie Griffin
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The only tactical issue was pushing WAY too much for an equalizer.
Agreed.
Most knew it was trouble once the own goal occurred, figuring United would sit in and look for the counter. Wenger knew it too, but wanted to get something from the game and took the risk (I assume).
Sucks.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:44 am to gallagherkck
Again, it's a game of tiny margins, and if Wilshere lays the ball off to Alexis or picks a side, we're up 1-0 and in control. It's a shame, but we aren't coming on the right side of those razor thin margins. Hopefully we start figuring it out.
Last season, there was a stretch where we ground out wins but didn't play all that well. This is sort of the counter. We've played pretty well at times with no luck. It'll balance out, hopefully in time for us to win something meaningful this year.
Last season, there was a stretch where we ground out wins but didn't play all that well. This is sort of the counter. We've played pretty well at times with no luck. It'll balance out, hopefully in time for us to win something meaningful this year.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:51 am to Stewie Griffin
I would have to qualify how "well" we played--and have been playing.
The masses on the Arsenal facebook page excused yesterday to De Gea having a "monster" game.
I disagree. He didn't have a monster game. Other than Alexis, we suck at finishing.
I'm about to unlike the Arnseal fb page. No real solid news or analysis, just useless rah-rah propaganda and click bait.
This is not unique to Arsenal, most professional sports teams' pages follow suit. I unliked the St. Louis Rams' page for the same reason.
The St. Louis Cardinals have a little more substance on their page.
As I said, I'm okay with reading Arsenal transfer speculation directly from the London papers, but I'm tired of post after post of who we are "linked" to, when most all of it is bullshite.
The masses on the Arsenal facebook page excused yesterday to De Gea having a "monster" game.
I disagree. He didn't have a monster game. Other than Alexis, we suck at finishing.
I'm about to unlike the Arnseal fb page. No real solid news or analysis, just useless rah-rah propaganda and click bait.
This is not unique to Arsenal, most professional sports teams' pages follow suit. I unliked the St. Louis Rams' page for the same reason.
The St. Louis Cardinals have a little more substance on their page.
As I said, I'm okay with reading Arsenal transfer speculation directly from the London papers, but I'm tired of post after post of who we are "linked" to, when most all of it is bullshite.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 10:54 am to timlan2057
I mean, yeah, we're not playing 'well' but we're controlling the game, our movement is fluid, etc. We're not in shambles. We just aren't finishing. The fact that Giroud is coming in as our finisher speaks miles to it. His left foot is great, but he's known to be wasteful with chances.
Welbeck's finishing is obviously an issue. He's not scoring enough goals for me. Take away his hat trick against a shambolic Galatassary side and he's not produced much for us. That needs to change or we need to upgrade at striker again. He's kind of symbolic of our whole side...we're passing and moving well but not getting any end product.
Welbeck's finishing is obviously an issue. He's not scoring enough goals for me. Take away his hat trick against a shambolic Galatassary side and he's not produced much for us. That needs to change or we need to upgrade at striker again. He's kind of symbolic of our whole side...we're passing and moving well but not getting any end product.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:18 am to StraightCashHomey21
Piers is a count but I don't disagree with him.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 1:11 pm to cwil177
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This squad is not a top four contender this year.
If it were any other season, this might be true. But the Premier League is really so mediocre this season that Arsenal might still stay in the Top 4 and qualify again for the Champions League quite comfortably. Outside of Chelsea walking the title, no other place in the Top 4 is safe and any can be had. The league is just bang average this season.
Man United? Poor. Tottenham? Uninspiring. Everton? Nah. Liverpool? Woeful.
Southampton are having a great season to date, but have played none of the top teams yet and have actually lost to the only "top" sides they have played this year in Liverpool and Tottenham. They are about to go on an 11-game run in the league when they will have to play Manchester City, Arsenal (twice), Manchester United (twice), Everton and Chelsea, as well as tricky away games to Newcastle and Crystal Palace. Good luck, mate.
It is absolutely maddening to watch the team at this moment in time, but I'm holding out that we'll tighten up defensively once Koscielny and Debuchy are back in December and Wenger hopefully strengthens the squad in January. Just hoping we can pick up the wins in the meantime so we stay in and even improve our position until then.
Hope is all I have at the moment.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:32 pm to FirstRoundPick
If we're going to buy an Arteta replacement, I'd love Schneiderlin. The more I watch him this year the more I like him. I'm assuming he wouldn't be available until summer.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:57 pm to Stewie Griffin
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I'm assuming he wouldn't be available until summer.
Anyone from a "lesser" club is available for the right price, even in January. That is, if Arsene(al) is willing to pay the "right" price to get the player we need.
Let's face it, as good a start to the season as they've had, it's most likely that Southampton will not finish in the Top 4 by the end of the season and will not qualify for the Champions League. Schneiderlin is not cup tied this season, so he can play straightaway in the Champions League knockout stages, as well as next year when Arsenal inevitably finish 4th again.
Could be just enough to turn the player's head and have him want to advance his career. Doubt Arsenal go in for him though ...
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 5:28 pm to FirstRoundPick
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If it were any other season, this might be true. But the Premier League is really so mediocre this season that Arsenal might still stay in the Top 4 and qualify again for the Champions League quite comfortably. Outside of Chelsea walking the title, no other place in the Top 4 is safe and any can be had. The league is just bang average this season.
This. There's no need to panic at this point. Honestly, Arsenal has been in worse situations in the last five years.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 5:56 pm to NOTORlOUSD
Arsenal played really well. If Wilshere finishes that chance, we absolutely carve that 3-5-2 up when they have to press up.
We will go on a run, we always do and it won't take much of one to get back to the top 3.
We will go on a run, we always do and it won't take much of one to get back to the top 3.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:07 pm to glassman
anyone else on board with wilshere being on the bench moving forward? He's played pretty bad all year
Posted on 11/24/14 at 8:25 pm to leoj
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anyone else on board with wilshere being on the bench moving forward? He's played pretty bad all year
Ramsey has been worse, as much as it hurts me to say. Jack has been better for club and country.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:25 pm to glassman
Jack has been better, and it's not close imo.
We couldn't score, at home, against a three man backline of Tyler Blackett and two no namers and their United side that hadn't won an away game all season. Let that sink in for a sec.
We couldn't score, at home, against a three man backline of Tyler Blackett and two no namers and their United side that hadn't won an away game all season. Let that sink in for a sec.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 9:43 pm to cwil177
Ramsey and Wilshere have played really poorly in my opinion. Each tries to do too much. Ramsey is hitting 2012 lows, and instead of doing what he did to get back to that place, he's played like a count.
People forget but there was a stretch of games in early 2013 where Ramsey and Wilshere played extremely well together. Which meant they didn't go forward as often, they were restrained in their movement and positioning, and they did what central midfielders should do.
Look at this game. LINK
I can dig up my posts about this game but it was a 4-2-3-1 with Podolski and Walcott wide, with Giroud up top and Cazorla in the hole. Ramsey and Wilshere were behind them, and in that game I think Ramsey had something like 105 to 110 passes. The problem I'm having with Ramsey and Wilshere is that they both have started believing the hype, and have started to play for themselves rather than for the team. Wilshere not laying the ball off for Sanchez six yards in front of goal epitomizes the selfishness that characterizes both of their play this season. Ramsey's movement from deep and Wilshere's ability to dribble from deep should not be the things their games are based upon. They should be supplemental to what they are supposed to do each game, which is to support the front four, create opportunities for passes over the top, move the ball from sideline to sideline, overload certain areas of midfield to create mismatches, and defend the back four. What annoys me is that sometimes Ramsey will just play as a fricking striker. I mean what the frick is he doing? And Jack continues to dribble into walls like a fricking retard. Is he a functional retard? Because he's played like one this season. I'd rather have three players like Arteta in midfield, because at least Mikel understands that he has to work as a unit with his partners. frick even Flamini, who has played like horsecock this season, understands that, and in terms of positioning offers so much more than any of our midfielders. The fact that he sucks on the ball, can't pass, can't dribble, can't really tackle anymore means he should be our last option, but good god almighty all I wanted to do was yell at my TV because of what Wilshere and Ramsey have been doing since the start of the god damn season.
We can even look last year, at Ramsey's goal against Galatasaray or Fenerbache at home, when the ball was moved to the left, where Wilshere played an incisive pass to Gibbs who played a little ball into Ramsey who finished well. That goal came because Ramsey was acting like a fricking midfielder, instead of a count.
Though Ramsey and Wilshere are talented, I'd rather take players who are willing to play for the team than players who are obsessed with their own self-image. Both Ramsey and Wilshere have let the hype get to their heads, and both don't realize how much they are hurting the team. We don't need either to score goals or create them. We need them to play like central fricking midfielders. Thank god both have played like balls this season (despite what people have told you, Wilshere has played awful, like legit awful if you actually sit down and watch the tapes) so maybe that will teach them some fricking humility.
They should learn from Ozil and Sanchez, world class players who have actually achieved something. Sanchez works like a maniac off the ball, and does what he does for a specific purpose. Ozil might seem lazy, but the fact of the matter is that his movement gives his teammates opportunities they would not have without him.
This team would be immensely better if we dropped Wilshere and Ramsey for a while, but other than Rosicky, we don't have anyone who can replace them. But frick watching them pisses me the frick off. Hollywood passes and dribbles, idiotic decisions time and again. It's been the whole season, but the Man U game just highlighted how poorly they've played.
People forget but there was a stretch of games in early 2013 where Ramsey and Wilshere played extremely well together. Which meant they didn't go forward as often, they were restrained in their movement and positioning, and they did what central midfielders should do.
Look at this game. LINK
I can dig up my posts about this game but it was a 4-2-3-1 with Podolski and Walcott wide, with Giroud up top and Cazorla in the hole. Ramsey and Wilshere were behind them, and in that game I think Ramsey had something like 105 to 110 passes. The problem I'm having with Ramsey and Wilshere is that they both have started believing the hype, and have started to play for themselves rather than for the team. Wilshere not laying the ball off for Sanchez six yards in front of goal epitomizes the selfishness that characterizes both of their play this season. Ramsey's movement from deep and Wilshere's ability to dribble from deep should not be the things their games are based upon. They should be supplemental to what they are supposed to do each game, which is to support the front four, create opportunities for passes over the top, move the ball from sideline to sideline, overload certain areas of midfield to create mismatches, and defend the back four. What annoys me is that sometimes Ramsey will just play as a fricking striker. I mean what the frick is he doing? And Jack continues to dribble into walls like a fricking retard. Is he a functional retard? Because he's played like one this season. I'd rather have three players like Arteta in midfield, because at least Mikel understands that he has to work as a unit with his partners. frick even Flamini, who has played like horsecock this season, understands that, and in terms of positioning offers so much more than any of our midfielders. The fact that he sucks on the ball, can't pass, can't dribble, can't really tackle anymore means he should be our last option, but good god almighty all I wanted to do was yell at my TV because of what Wilshere and Ramsey have been doing since the start of the god damn season.
We can even look last year, at Ramsey's goal against Galatasaray or Fenerbache at home, when the ball was moved to the left, where Wilshere played an incisive pass to Gibbs who played a little ball into Ramsey who finished well. That goal came because Ramsey was acting like a fricking midfielder, instead of a count.
Though Ramsey and Wilshere are talented, I'd rather take players who are willing to play for the team than players who are obsessed with their own self-image. Both Ramsey and Wilshere have let the hype get to their heads, and both don't realize how much they are hurting the team. We don't need either to score goals or create them. We need them to play like central fricking midfielders. Thank god both have played like balls this season (despite what people have told you, Wilshere has played awful, like legit awful if you actually sit down and watch the tapes) so maybe that will teach them some fricking humility.
They should learn from Ozil and Sanchez, world class players who have actually achieved something. Sanchez works like a maniac off the ball, and does what he does for a specific purpose. Ozil might seem lazy, but the fact of the matter is that his movement gives his teammates opportunities they would not have without him.
This team would be immensely better if we dropped Wilshere and Ramsey for a while, but other than Rosicky, we don't have anyone who can replace them. But frick watching them pisses me the frick off. Hollywood passes and dribbles, idiotic decisions time and again. It's been the whole season, but the Man U game just highlighted how poorly they've played.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:11 am to cwil177
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against a three man backline of Tyler Blackett and two no namers
Paddy is not a no name. Kid is going to be a stud.
The back line was 2 United academy players. Mind blowing
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 2:12 am
Posted on 11/25/14 at 7:02 am to crazy4lsu
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Laurent Koscielny is in the squad for tomorrow night’s game with Borussia Dortmund.
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The good news is tempered by some bad, however, as Wojciech Szczesny misses out after a dead leg against Manchester United forced him off. He’ll be replaced by Emi Martinez with youngster Ryan Huddart likely to make the bench again.
Danny Welbeck is available having sat out training today, although Theo Walcott and Jack Wilshere are not available.
Wenger said of the midfielder, “Wilshere will be out for a while. He has to see a specialist next week to see for how long he will be out.”
Posted on 11/25/14 at 7:44 am to RTR America
You guys should buy Cech
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