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Payroll Screw-up...need Advice

Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:37 am
Posted by CHiPs25
ATL
Member since Apr 2014
2894 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:37 am
I'm hoping you guys can help me make heads or tails with a payroll screw-up that my company made. I was awarded a trip (Presidents' Club) to Cancun earlier this year and my company is adding the value of our trip to our W2 so we need to pay taxes on it. On the most recent paycheck, they screwed up and rather than withholding the amounts of Federal/State taxes, they paid us the additional taxes. So, the money we received was actually supposed to go to pay for the taxes. Now, below is the wording they used. Can someone that is much smarter than me with taxes help me decipher which is going to be the better situation at the end of the year. Not sure if you need more information, if you do, please ask and I will answer. TIA for your help and I owe you a beer!

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It was brought to our attention that the payroll system inadvertently overpaid you this week when processing the taxable non cash award that was associated with the recent “In it to win it” trip.

The goal was to gross up the value of the trip so that the company would cover taxes. The taxes were calculated correctly. However, instead of withholding the amounts associated with your Federal and States taxes, the system actually paid you the additional taxes associated with the trip. This means that the overpayment you received was actually money that was supposed to go towards your Federal and State tax withholding.

This issue can be addressed in one of two ways:
1.) You have the option to keep the funds paid to you. Please keep in mind when you file your 2014 return that these funds should be used to offset any additional amount you may or may not owe.
2.) You can have the taxes that were paid to you in error deducted from your pay over the next 1-6 pay periods. Under this option you will see an increase in taxes withheld and a decrease in net pay over a time period that best works for you.

Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
12775 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:39 am to

Just take option 1 and stick the money in savings if you think this will result in you having a tax liability at YE.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:41 am to
There are going to be a lot of people that tell you to keep the cash and make interest, but the smart move is to have it all taken out of your next check.
Posted by CHiPs25
ATL
Member since Apr 2014
2894 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:46 am to
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Just take option 1 and stick the money in savings if you think this will result in you having a tax liability at YE.


I don't think i'll have any liability. I don't have kids...i don't own a house...i'm not a crazy stock trader with crazy investments....it's just me and my wife.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2471 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:49 am to
If you think you'll meet the safe harbor provisions I see no reason to pay it back.

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If your 2013 adjusted gross income was more than $150,000 ($75,000 if you are married filing a separate return), you must pay the smaller of 90% of your expected tax for 2014 or 110% of the tax shown on your 2013 return to avoid an estimated tax penalty.
Posted by CHiPs25
ATL
Member since Apr 2014
2894 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:52 am to
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If your 2013 adjusted gross income was more than $150,000 ($75,000 if you are married filing a separate return), you must pay the smaller of 90% of your expected tax for 2014 or 110% of the tax shown on your 2013 return to avoid an estimated tax penalty.


We will be pretty close to the $150k AGI, probably be slightly over.
Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
12775 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:55 am to
quote:

here are going to be a lot of people that tell you to keep the cash and make interest, but the smart move is to have it all taken out of your next check.


Oh I think the interest consideration is virtually worthless.

I would just keep the cash in my hands. Just because I don't trust the government to give it back.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:19 am to
In the end, you're going to come out pretty much even either way. Were it me, I'd take option 2 just so there are no surprises on next year's tax return.
Posted by CHiPs25
ATL
Member since Apr 2014
2894 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:32 am to
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In the end, you're going to come out pretty much even either way. Were it me, I'd take option 2 just so there are no surprises on next year's tax return.


So you're saying there's more risk in keeping the money than giving it back? I doubt with either option that I'll be ahead, i mean it is the government. I just don't want any nasty surprises come 1Q when I do my taxes.
Posted by Tenforty1728
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2012
64 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:47 am to
The fact that you don't have any kids or a house makes you more likely to owe, not less. I would have it taken out of the next few checks if you're not living way above your means needing every dollar.
Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
12775 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 12:11 pm to
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So you're saying there's more risk in keeping the money than giving it back?

It's not really a matter of risk.

The only difference is who is holding the money at YE. If you underpaid through out the year, then you will have a tax liability and can use that money you received erroneously to pay off that liability if you choose option 1.

If you overpaid for the year, you will get a refund and just keep that money in your account.

I honestly wouldn't really give it much thought. We aren't talking about a whole lot of money likely and both options result in you having the same amount of money in your pocket after filing your return. If you don't want to think about it, just choose option 2 and have the most deducted to reduce the opportunity of an under payment.
This post was edited on 7/1/14 at 12:14 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 1:51 pm to
The company is trying to avoid you having to "pay" taxes on the trip, by basically providing additional money to you to cover the tax implications of the trip. This way, you don't have to pay the taxes out of your own pocket. That is what is meant when they said "the goal was to gross up..."

Do you normally get a refund, or do you normally owe taxes?

If you don't send the money in, your refund will be less, or, you may owe more than normal. If you end up owing more than $1,000, you *might* owe penalties and interest. Depends on your tax situation.

I would go with option 3. What is option 3? Look at your last paystub, figure out what the additional amount is that was paid to you, and sent it in as an estimated tax payment to both the IRS and whatever state you are in.

I say this because I would not necessairly trust the company to get it right with option 2, and option 1 *might* cause a headache down the road.

Just don't forget you made the estimated tax payment when you prep the tax returns next year.
Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
12775 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

I would go with option 3.
No you wouldn't.
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and sent it in as an estimated tax payment to both the IRS and whatever state you are in.

For what? That's silly. That's why we file returns at YE. Would you send in your estimated taxes early if they gave you a $2k bonus check that didn't have the taxes taken out?
quote:

I say this because I would not necessairly trust the company to get it right with option 2, and option 1 *might* cause a headache down the road.

Like what? You're just complicating the issue even further.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:25 pm to
Couldn't he face an underpayment penalty though if he waits until year end?
Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
12775 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:35 pm to
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Couldn't he face an underpayment penalty though if he waits until year end?
Sure, but it sounds as if he was receiving a refund in the past, so it seems highly unlikely that an untaxed $2k(?) in income would push him in to that category.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2471 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 2:42 pm to
It'd be pretty hard to get hit with underpayment for something as small as this - see the first two items below, in particular.

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Generally, you will not have to pay a penalty for 2013 if any of the following apply.

The total of your withholding and timely estimated tax payments was at least as much as your 2012 tax. (See Special rules for certain individuals for higher income taxpayers and farmers and fishermen.)

The tax balance due on your 2013 return is no more than 10% of your total 2013 tax, and you paid all required estimated tax payments on time.

Your total tax for 2013 (defined later) minus your withholding is less than $1,000.

You did not have a tax liability for 2012.

You did not have any withholding taxes and your current year tax (less any household employment taxes) is less than $1,000.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

No you wouldn't.


Actually, I would not have suggested it if I would not have done it myself.

quote:

Would you send in your estimated taxes early if they gave you a $2k bonus check that didn't have the taxes taken out?


Yes, I would. I'd rather play it safe and not risk forgetting about it, or causing a problem down the road.

quote:

Like what? You're just complicating the issue even further.


Not at all, I'm actually making it very simple. I don't know the dollar amount involved here, or, what the taxpayer has dealt with in the past. I'm choosing the safest option.

But then again, I'm not one that worries about the piddling amounts of interest I would make by saving the money and paying it later. To me, the knowledge of eliminating any potential issues (that may or may not actually occur) at tax time next year is more than wotth the tiny amount of interest to be gained by saving it now.
Posted by CHiPs25
ATL
Member since Apr 2014
2894 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 7:11 pm to
I typically get money from the government during taxes. Albeit, it's only $1500-$2000 but it's still something that I look forward to so I can spend it on my wife's lingerie. They paid us about $1700 which was supposed to go towards the tax, so i could break even at YE when tax time comes around. In that case, I would rather take the money now so i'm not paying $400 back each of the next 5 paychecks and rather break even in February.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

There are going to be a lot of people that tell you to keep the cash and make interest, but the smart move is to have it all taken out of your next check.
Or since that's not one of the options, just take option 2.
This post was edited on 7/1/14 at 7:46 pm
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
65533 posts
Posted on 7/1/14 at 7:19 pm to
quote:

?...so I can spend it on my wife's lingerie.


You brought it up, pics of her in it, or partially too.

"In it to win it"? You work for Cintas?

I'd have accounting deduct their version of your tax liability.
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