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One of the Pelicans' biggest problems is their pace.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:26 pm
Last year, they were 22nd out of 30 teams. The year before they were 29th out of 30.
They are slow... by design.
But the problem is, they aren't talented enough to slow the game down. Playing at a fast pace can help mask some problems with a team. The Pelicans are a pretty good offensive team. And considering that they are young and athletic, they can turn games into a track meet and out-score opponents.
Especially considering the 3-point shooters they had last year... they could have been scoring at an incredible rate.
The high pace also tires out older, more methodical teams who are used to playing a slower pace, thus affecting those teams' offenses which makes your own defense look better.
Teams that can slow the pace down are teams that are much more experienced. Teams that really know how to break down a defense. Smart teams and very skilled teams usually with veteran players. It is the best way to play ONLY IF your team is good enough to do it. Because in the playoffs, everybody is playing their hardest and so they can limit the fast-break opportunities of teams who like to run.
So that style will not work particularly well for the playoffs, but the Pelicans could win a lot of games during the regular season which may help attract free-agents or make certain players look better to help with trades.
A team like the Pelicans should not be trying to play a methodical game. Their defense is not anywhere near good enough, and they are too young.
Thoughts?
They are slow... by design.
But the problem is, they aren't talented enough to slow the game down. Playing at a fast pace can help mask some problems with a team. The Pelicans are a pretty good offensive team. And considering that they are young and athletic, they can turn games into a track meet and out-score opponents.
Especially considering the 3-point shooters they had last year... they could have been scoring at an incredible rate.
The high pace also tires out older, more methodical teams who are used to playing a slower pace, thus affecting those teams' offenses which makes your own defense look better.
Teams that can slow the pace down are teams that are much more experienced. Teams that really know how to break down a defense. Smart teams and very skilled teams usually with veteran players. It is the best way to play ONLY IF your team is good enough to do it. Because in the playoffs, everybody is playing their hardest and so they can limit the fast-break opportunities of teams who like to run.
So that style will not work particularly well for the playoffs, but the Pelicans could win a lot of games during the regular season which may help attract free-agents or make certain players look better to help with trades.
A team like the Pelicans should not be trying to play a methodical game. Their defense is not anywhere near good enough, and they are too young.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:29 pm to PrimeTime Money
Monty should not be trying to simplify the gamestate with his slow approach.
It just doesn't work for many of the reasons you listed.
Grind games are not what we're built for at current.
It just doesn't work for many of the reasons you listed.
Grind games are not what we're built for at current.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 7:42 pm to PrimeTime Money
The thing is that they weren't slow when they were healthy. Monty was doing unMonty like things in that stretch of 13 or so games where the core 4 were healthy. We'll have to wait and see how things go next season.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:41 pm to TigerinATL
I'll be interested to see if he pushes the pace... but isn't slow and methodical with a focus on defense his style?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:46 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Last year, they were 22nd out of 30 teams.
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The year before they were 29th out of 30.
Rome wasn't built in a day
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:49 pm to PrimeTime Money
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but isn't slow and methodical with a focus on defense his style?
Yes
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:49 pm to PrimeTime Money
Monty's defensive style blows
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:59 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Especially considering the 3-point shooters they had last year... they could have been scoring at an incredible rate.
Besides the piss poor rotations last year, this was my biggest issue with Monty's coaching. There's no reason for the team with the 6th best 3% have the 2nd lowest 3 point attempts, even with Anderson out. We still had very capable shooters in Morrow, Miller, and even Rivers.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:11 pm to PrimeTime Money
You're taking a piece of the puzzle and acting like its something bigger. The Pelicans had a lot of problems, a lot of which simply stemmed from never having the core 4 play together. Pace is a very easily improvable metric because its highly variable
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:11 pm to PrimeTime Money
Agree completely. Speed/athleticism is their strength over most teams. It's not just running though. It comes down to tempo in the half court too. Way too much ball stopping and ball pounding while guys are running around not accomplishing much or just watching simple high screen action.
To further ATL's point, when they had their core mostly healthy, their pace would have been middle of the league. What's interesting is how pace was up league wide this year. The Pelicans season number would have been 13th last year and is a 4 possession improvement over 2012/13.
To further ATL's point, when they had their core mostly healthy, their pace would have been middle of the league. What's interesting is how pace was up league wide this year. The Pelicans season number would have been 13th last year and is a 4 possession improvement over 2012/13.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:14 pm to NOLAbaby
quote:Well of course they had other problems... but the style of play highlighted those problems instead of hiding them.
You're taking a piece of the puzzle and acting like its something bigger. The Pelicans had a lot of problems, a lot of which simply stemmed from never having the core 4 play together. Pace is a very easily improvable metric because its highly variable
Posted on 6/25/14 at 9:36 pm to PrimeTime Money
LOL at you thinking monty has a plan. You give the man too much credit.
All joking aside though. For such a 'defensive' minded coach, I've seen my fair share of games where we lose because of his horrible defensive lineup and rotations. He's not a great coach, but I do hope there's a crazy story of him becoming the Pop of the late 90s where he stated out slow, almost got fired, and ran years and years of success.
All joking aside though. For such a 'defensive' minded coach, I've seen my fair share of games where we lose because of his horrible defensive lineup and rotations. He's not a great coach, but I do hope there's a crazy story of him becoming the Pop of the late 90s where he stated out slow, almost got fired, and ran years and years of success.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:55 pm to htran90
@McNamara247: Hey TigerinATL - tell your Tigerdroppings buddies that the Pels were top 8 in pace before the injuries, so they can calm down over there
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:56 pm to GynoSandberg
How many games was that? 10 games or so? We have 4 years of statistics to use as evidence don't we.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:57 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 6/25/14 at 10:57 pm to supe12sta12z
If he is considering Ryno and Jrue to be the injuries then 30
Posted on 6/25/14 at 11:08 pm to PrimeTime Money
Pace really isnt that important IMO. You need a nice balance between running and scoring in transition and being able to run a half court offense and be successful at it. And if you are built to run, do it more. If you arent, slow it down and play your game.
Teams with the highest pace last year was the 76ers, Lakers, Nuggets, and T-Wolves. Teams with the slowest pace were the Grizz, Knicks, Bulls, and the Heat.
And the guy that typically gets out and runs and starts the transition offense is your PG... Holdiay missed most of the season last year. With Holiday, and using Tyreke correctly, we will be able to run much more.
But pace doesnt mean you are good or whatever. Just need a nice blend of being able to run and score in transition when given the opportunity and be able to slow it down and run some offense and be successful in that as well.
Teams with the highest pace last year was the 76ers, Lakers, Nuggets, and T-Wolves. Teams with the slowest pace were the Grizz, Knicks, Bulls, and the Heat.
And the guy that typically gets out and runs and starts the transition offense is your PG... Holdiay missed most of the season last year. With Holiday, and using Tyreke correctly, we will be able to run much more.
But pace doesnt mean you are good or whatever. Just need a nice blend of being able to run and score in transition when given the opportunity and be able to slow it down and run some offense and be successful in that as well.
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 6/26/14 at 6:10 pm to supe12sta12z
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How many games was that? 10 games or so? We have 4 years of statistics to use as evidence don't we.
So the fact that he used a slow pace in the past means that we should ignore the fact that he sped up the pace when he had a healthy team because Monty changing his his style to suit his team doesn't progress the narrative that he is an imbecile?
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 9:22 pm
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