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I really want to be optimistic about the Pelicans but
Posted on 6/21/14 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 6/21/14 at 3:16 pm
I read shite like this and realize that since we aren't a big market team that we are basically fricked every year unless we hit the draft lottery again. Am I reading this wrong or is there any real hope?
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Posted on 6/21/14 at 3:24 pm to seeLSUrun
I want to be optimistic about sports fans, but people keep linking bleacher report articles.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 3:24 pm to seeLSUrun
Read that yesterday. Very poorly written, that's why it's in BR. He basically acts like it's humanly impossible to obtain a draft pick after trading your old one away.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 3:48 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I'm a neophyte NBA fan as it is, the salary caps and all are all pretty unknown to me. Enlighten me as to how this could work out for us. It seems like Eric Gordon is going to continue to be the noise around our neck for at least another year
Posted on 6/21/14 at 4:33 pm to seeLSUrun
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Enlighten me as to how this could work out for us.
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Eric Gordon is going to continue to be the noise around our neck for at least another year
Posted on 6/21/14 at 4:34 pm to seeLSUrun
Jrue Holiday is a 24year old PG that has already been to the all star game. He is a great player and will only get better. He is also 1 of the better defensive PGs in the NBA. And in the West, you gotta have a legit PG that is a good defender because you will be going against: CP3, Westbrook, Tony Parker, Mike Conley, Lillard, Dragic / Bledsoe, Ty Lawson, Curry, Ellis, etc.
He was just starting to get in his groove with us when he went down with an injury. Which is 1 of the main reasons why people are questioning if the trade was worth it. For me, yes it is. It just hasnt been evident to the average bball fan because of Holidays injury and when he played he was still getting acclimated to the system and other players around him... which takes time for a PG due to the fact that he is the guy with the ball and running the show. It takes time to get used to playing with guys you arent familiar with. And when he did, he was putting up 17ppg and 9 assists and 4rebs. And shooting 50%. He will only get better.
Noel is a 200lbs Center whose best attributes were his ability to run the floor and jump... and hes coming off of an ACL injury and nobody knows what he will be like when he returns. And, its not like hes an offensively skilled big man. At best, hes a Larry Saunders type of player.
And its the #10 pick. Might could find a decent player, might get a shitty player. Ill take a proven All Star PG at 24years old to grow with a future star in Anthony Davis over Noel and the 10th pick in the draft.
And we are trying to get a 1st round pick.
He was just starting to get in his groove with us when he went down with an injury. Which is 1 of the main reasons why people are questioning if the trade was worth it. For me, yes it is. It just hasnt been evident to the average bball fan because of Holidays injury and when he played he was still getting acclimated to the system and other players around him... which takes time for a PG due to the fact that he is the guy with the ball and running the show. It takes time to get used to playing with guys you arent familiar with. And when he did, he was putting up 17ppg and 9 assists and 4rebs. And shooting 50%. He will only get better.
Noel is a 200lbs Center whose best attributes were his ability to run the floor and jump... and hes coming off of an ACL injury and nobody knows what he will be like when he returns. And, its not like hes an offensively skilled big man. At best, hes a Larry Saunders type of player.
And its the #10 pick. Might could find a decent player, might get a shitty player. Ill take a proven All Star PG at 24years old to grow with a future star in Anthony Davis over Noel and the 10th pick in the draft.
And we are trying to get a 1st round pick.
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:30 pm to seeLSUrun
From what I saw from the Spurs this year, if we can build around AD, Jrue, and Anderson, and add another piece when these guys mature and get some chemistry, we will have a very good playoff team in a few years.
A big thing I've realized this year is that having a good bench is more crucial than it seems. We need to work on this, or with optimism we can hope that Rivers, Miller, and possibly Ajinca can improve.
A big thing I've realized this year is that having a good bench is more crucial than it seems. We need to work on this, or with optimism we can hope that Rivers, Miller, and possibly Ajinca can improve.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:32 pm to seeLSUrun
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Am I reading this wrong or is there any real hope?
People who are freaking out act as if we need to be contenders this year which is completely untrue. Demps has added 3 B level players around AD which is actually a nice start. Gordon's salary is a hindrance right now, but as long as he stays healthy you should be able to move him, maybe for free, but most likely at the cost of a C level asset like Rivers or our 2015 draft pick. 2015 actually is the target in my mind for making big moves (which is a reason not to freak out about what we can or can't do this year). I'd much rather make minimal moves this year and be able to add an Asik or even Marc Gasol next offseason.
On top of that, even if you miss the 2015 window, if you don't add any long term deals you'll have enough cap space to sign someone like Kevin Durant instead of resigning Anderson. It sounds completely crazy, but a core of Holiday, Evans and Davis might actually be appealing to Durant if he is looking to move to a better situation. The main reason it won't happen is because Demps doesn't have the job security to wait 2 years for the chance at KD if he even leaves OKC.
Also, since you're looking for enlightenment on the teams future prospects, Why Anthony Davis will be a Pelican through at least the 2019-2020 season
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 6/21/14 at 6:58 pm to TigerinATL
we have more talent than Minnesota ever put around Kevin Garnett... so we are doing everything we can to win, and keep AD23 happy... 2 pluses for us...
it's just not our time.. there are 29 other non champions out there too, including the team with Lebron, DWade and Bosh...
maybe it takes us 6-8 more years to be even close to championship ready... the primes of our players careers may peak as the current leaders are on the decline. that is our bet.
healthy this team might have been 8 games better last year? if we can improve by 4-5 games a year from here on out it's 2 years from playoff locks, hope to resign the core for a BIG 4 year run... and then we have our shots.
it is not hard to see the picture future looks just fine, unless you refuse to look more than 1 month and draft class ahead at a time...
it's just not our time.. there are 29 other non champions out there too, including the team with Lebron, DWade and Bosh...
maybe it takes us 6-8 more years to be even close to championship ready... the primes of our players careers may peak as the current leaders are on the decline. that is our bet.
healthy this team might have been 8 games better last year? if we can improve by 4-5 games a year from here on out it's 2 years from playoff locks, hope to resign the core for a BIG 4 year run... and then we have our shots.
it is not hard to see the picture future looks just fine, unless you refuse to look more than 1 month and draft class ahead at a time...
Posted on 6/21/14 at 7:01 pm to seeLSUrun
This thread 
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:02 pm to seeLSUrun
So I guess nerlens noel and whatever they take with our pick are guaranteed hall of famers
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:05 pm to patendedgmf
Championship readiness takes time. Anyone expecting to have a championship caliber team by year 3 of a rebuild is a lunatic
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:37 pm to KG5989
Thanks for the legit answer man. I really want to be a big pelicans fan but the nba seems to make it near impossible for a small market team to climb up without paying what seems to be a large luxury tax. The NFL has it so damn right, I want to know we at least have a chance to get better and make a run every few years, ya know?
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:46 pm to seeLSUrun
quote:oh jesus
I really want to be a big pelicans fan but
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:52 pm to seeLSUrun
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I really want to be a big pelicans fan but the nba seems to make it near impossible for a small market team to climb up without paying what seems to be a large luxury tax. The NFL has it so damn right, I want to know we at least have a chance to get better and make a run every few years, ya know?
It is more difficult for small market teams in the NBA than it is in the NFL. But it's not impossible. San Antonio and Oklahoma City are two examples. Really, with Anthony Davis, I think the Pelicans are only a couple of players away from being a contending team. But it's going to take some work and wise choices to fill in those pieces.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:53 pm to seeLSUrun
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the nba seems to make it near impossible for a small market team to climb up without paying what seems to be a large luxury tax.
The new luxury tax rules actually have changed things quite a bit. Now the Knicks and Nets seem to be the only teams in the league that still don't care about it. Previous to the more punitive nature of the tax, probably the teams with the top 8 payrolls didn't seem to care. That actually helps the small market teams because it limits the number of teams willing to take more than their fair share of top talent is reduced.
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I want to know we at least have a chance to get better and make a run every few years, ya know?
That's never going to happen in the NBA. One superior player can make such a big difference, it's just the nature of the sport. There really are 2 paths to contention. Draft a superstar and build smartly around him, the path we are trying to walk, or be a destination glamor market and get superstars to force their way onto your team.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 9:07 pm to TigerinATL
That's true, the fact that one player really can swing the tide of a season is the dividing rod. I LOVE Davis like everyone else and get so excited going into the season but find myself struggling to a) keep up with the games/schedule in general just out of my own ignorance and b) realizing how quickly we are out of things lately. It's just like, shite, 2 months in and we are done
Posted on 6/21/14 at 9:30 pm to KG5989
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And in the West, you gotta have a legit PG that is a good defender
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CP3, Westbrook, Tony Parker, Mike Conley, Lillard, Dragic / Bledsoe, Ty Lawson, Curry, Ellis, etc.
At least half of those guys are not good defenders and their teams were still pretty good. PG defense, for me, is overrated due to hand check rules and the prevalence of the pick and roll (size). No one is stopping or slowing down any of those pgs alone. It's much more about scheme and bigs. Holiday is good and he helps, but I'd much rather a defense with a good defender at the 2/3 than at the 1.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 10:01 pm to corndeaux
Our best player and our future is 21 years old and already dominating the league. Yeah no reason to be optimistic
Posted on 6/21/14 at 10:44 pm to corndeaux
And would you put that 2/3 guy guarding the point??
And some of the guys I listed arent good defenders, but still are really good players. And are on teams that can put someone else on the opponents PG while on D. But depending on who you play, that could end up being a bad move move. If a team has a good PG and SF, or SG, you are pretty much screwed. Cant really switch. Sooner or later, youre gonna have to just bite the bullet and match up accordingly.
And I never said anything about having to choose where you want to have a good defender at / cant have good defenders at both spots. Ill take good defenders at every spot if possible.
But my point was that you need to have a good PG to compete in the west because almost every team has a good PG.
And some of the guys I listed arent good defenders, but still are really good players. And are on teams that can put someone else on the opponents PG while on D. But depending on who you play, that could end up being a bad move move. If a team has a good PG and SF, or SG, you are pretty much screwed. Cant really switch. Sooner or later, youre gonna have to just bite the bullet and match up accordingly.
And I never said anything about having to choose where you want to have a good defender at / cant have good defenders at both spots. Ill take good defenders at every spot if possible.
But my point was that you need to have a good PG to compete in the west because almost every team has a good PG.
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 10:48 pm
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