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Is this the most lawless administration?
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:38 am
Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:38 am
They have no regard for United States laws, Constitution or the United States citizens. Totally ignore court orders and such. Destroy federal documents and cover up federal violations.
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Posted on 6/21/14 at 8:45 am to Ponchy Tiger
I think they are the most blatant. everybody knows that emails aren't stored on a computers hard drive. You can access your email account from any computer. The fact that they use this excuse knowing that everyone knows it is bullshite shows that they don't care what anyone thinks and they think that they are untouchable.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 9:04 am to bencoleman
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I think they are the most blatant. everybody knows that emails aren't stored on a computers hard drive. You can access your email account from any computer. The fact that they use this excuse knowing that everyone knows it is bullshite shows that they don't care what anyone thinks and they think that they are untouchable.
This. They get away with it due to flagrant bias of the liberal news media.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 9:14 am to davesdawgs
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This. They get away with it due to flagrant bias of the liberal news media.
Agree, its like they arrogantly flaunt it in the America peoples faces.
Will they every legitimately get called on it and have to answer for all of this?
Posted on 6/21/14 at 9:17 am to davesdawgs
I am personally knowledgeable of a Federal employee being disciplined for receiving a NSFW email and not reporting it to his manager. Not did he forward it or save it. Best thing was the email in question was received almost two years prior, and they never pulled his PC. Granted, this was not the IRS, but this type of blatant hyprocrisy only tells me they are hiding something or covering for Obama's staff. I bet if I went to the OIGs website I could pull multiple IRS email discipline investigations not associated with 501c4
Posted on 6/21/14 at 10:11 am to Ponchy Tiger
My personal opinion? Pretty close.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 10:17 am to Wolfhound45
Just using recent events and applying to my personal situation;
Wolfhound45: Uhm, we might have been involved in some illegal activity in my organization. We're sorry.
Investigator: Wolfhound45, we want to look into your e-mails and see what happened.
Wolfhound45: My hard drive crashed, all of my e-mails are gone.
Investigator: It happens. No worries.
Do you honestly think I wouldn't be facing an AR 15-6 investigation on my conduct? Simply because my hard drive crashed? Really?
Wolfhound45: Uhm, we might have been involved in some illegal activity in my organization. We're sorry.
Investigator: Wolfhound45, we want to look into your e-mails and see what happened.
Wolfhound45: My hard drive crashed, all of my e-mails are gone.
Investigator: It happens. No worries.
Do you honestly think I wouldn't be facing an AR 15-6 investigation on my conduct? Simply because my hard drive crashed? Really?
Posted on 6/21/14 at 10:23 am to Ponchy Tiger
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They have no regard for United States laws, Constitution or the United States citizens
Check out how Hitler took over Germany by enacting a Law that gave him power to go around parliarment and disbanded their constitution. Sound familiar?
You may have to get it online but its there.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 10:31 am to Wolfhound45
The Attorney General position should not be appointed by the president imo. Conflict of interest there. Hard to say who should appoint him. Congress or the Supreme Court and Federal Court System. The position could also be an elected position similar to the states. This administration illustrates how the current AG can run cover for a lawless administration.
Another option would be to give congress its own AG with the power to investigate, and prosecute independently of the AG's office. I mean if the AG is corrupt, who gets to prosecute him?
In addition, to clean up the rest of the mess. IMO, every Congressman and appointed head of an agency should have a complete audit of their finances once a year and made public to insure that they have not enriched themselves from public service.
Another option would be to give congress its own AG with the power to investigate, and prosecute independently of the AG's office. I mean if the AG is corrupt, who gets to prosecute him?
In addition, to clean up the rest of the mess. IMO, every Congressman and appointed head of an agency should have a complete audit of their finances once a year and made public to insure that they have not enriched themselves from public service.
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 10:34 am
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:19 am to Ponchy Tiger
The Nixon administration was pretty lawless, but at least there was a mainstream press that investigated and was able to uncover and publicize that lawlessness. The Obama administration is at least as lawless, but the difference is that the mainstream press is comprised of individuals who for the most part support Obama and don't want to rock the boat. The "see no evil" mentality of the mainstream press means that the actions of the lawless Obama administration do not get the same scrutiny as those of the Nixon administration (and, for that matter, other administrations).
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:22 am to catnip
quote:Please stop with this BS.
Check out how Hitler took over Germany by enacting a Law that gave him power to go around parliarment and disbanded their constitution. Sound familiar?
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:34 am to Ponchy Tiger
quote:
Is this the most lawless administration?
I can't answer that question because if I do then you guys get pissed at the "bush did it too" and "Reagan's not president".
But I'll make a bet with you.... For every one "scandal" of Obama, I can name two of Bush and Reagan. For every one person under in the Obama administration accused of wrongdoing, I can name 5 in the Bush or Reagan administrations.
Wanna bet?
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:36 am to Vegas Bengal
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Wanna bet
.....yep....I sure do.....get started.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:37 am to Jim Ignatowski
......and make sure you list all the incompetent political flunkies that this arse clown of a president has appointed.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:39 am to Jim Ignatowski
......and don't forget to list how his knuckle dragging wife thinks she's been elected to office......and spends tax payers dollars on every friggin' whim that pops in her mooching mind...
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:41 am to Jim Ignatowski
quote:Wow.
and don't forget to list how his knuckle dragging wife thinks she's been elected to office......and spends tax payers dollars on every friggin' whim that pops in her mooching mind...
This is some serious butthurt.
This post was edited on 6/21/14 at 11:43 am
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:42 am to catnip
quote:
Check out how Hitler took over Germany by enacting a Law that gave him power to go around parliarment and disbanded their constitution. Sound familiar?
Good god
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:42 am to FT
......not butthurt.....it's facts.
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:57 am to Jim Ignatowski
Okey dokey:
1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal.
2. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior: 5 years in prison.
3. J ohn Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...
4. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush.
5. Philip Winn - Assistant HUD Secretary. Pleaded guilty to one count of scheming to give illegal gratuities.
6. Thomas Demery - Assistand HUD Secretary - pleaded guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.
7. Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush.
8. Carl R. Channel - Office of Public Diplomacy , partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States.
9. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush.
10. Caspar Weinberger, United States Secretary of Defense, was pardoned before trial produced by George H. W. Bush
(I have a lot LOT more... Over 130 convicted, indicted and resigned under investigation. I'm on my phone so it'll take a while if you want to be embarrassed)
1. Lyn Nofziger--White House Press Secretary - Convicted on charges of illegal lobbying of White House in Wedtech scandal.
2. James Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior: 5 years in prison.
3. J ohn Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, guilty of five criminal counts involving conspiracy to mislead Congress, obstructing congressional inquiries, lying to lawmakers, used "high national security" to mask deceit and wrong-doing...
4. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service. He was also fined $20,000. He received a blanket pardon from President George Bush.
5. Philip Winn - Assistant HUD Secretary. Pleaded guilty to one count of scheming to give illegal gratuities.
6. Thomas Demery - Assistand HUD Secretary - pleaded guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.
7. Clair George was Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations under President Reagan. George was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in 1986. George faced a maximum five year federal prison sentence and a $20,000 fine for each of the two convictions. Jurors cleared George of five other charges including two counts of lying to a federal grand jury. Clair George received a blanket pardon for his crimes from President George Bush.
8. Carl R. Channel - Office of Public Diplomacy , partner in International Business- first person convicted in the Iran/Contra scandal, pleaded guilty of one count of defrauding the United States.
9. Elliott Abrams was appointed by President Reagan in 1985 to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau. He was closely linked with ex-White House aide Lt. Col. Oliver North's covert movement to aid the Contras. Working for North, Abrams coordinated inter-agency support for the contras and helped solicit illegal funding from foreign powers as well as domestic contributors. Abrams agreed to cooperate with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced in 1991 to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George Bush.
10. Caspar Weinberger, United States Secretary of Defense, was pardoned before trial produced by George H. W. Bush
(I have a lot LOT more... Over 130 convicted, indicted and resigned under investigation. I'm on my phone so it'll take a while if you want to be embarrassed)
Posted on 6/21/14 at 11:59 am to Jim Ignatowski
Well you haven't mentioned one who's been indicted or convicted.... I'll wait until you can catch up...
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