re: *OFFICIAL* Fringe M/TV Board rewatch thread (current episodes discussion p. 60)

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bullshite.

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Your post stated that you would be back on Monday to comment.

We waited...



We were first posting so as the last person, you are obligated to comment first.

Sad to see this thread die after we kept up with it the entire run of the series. Guess nobody (especially Myth or catholic) want to discuss the finale/overall show.

Disappointing.

This thread was fun as shite, but goodnight, sweet prince.

In fact, I actually posted some comments about CTs review.

Neither of you commented on mine. So it wasn't me who let the thread wither away.

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Once more for Cokes.

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I may have to mix her into my sig pic rotation or something...that's just a fantastic picture.

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I still don't quite understand how this works.

Original timeline, some dudes in the future create the original observers.

Observers become dicks and go way back in time and start messing around with plans to conquer the past.

Wouldn't the invasion stop the dudes from creating the original observers? I don't see how they would be able to invade yet keep all of the people and their surroundings the same so they would create the observers.

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I'm sort of with you. The only thing is that they go sort of correct time, so to speak. Now, I'm not sure what "needed" correcting before Walter crossed over and started fricking shite up...maybe because he wrote the whole "First Men" book and people were toying around with that shite, so the Obs needed to go correct shite?

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Here we go again. Windmark uses the keystone cops when he should be using his own forces to track Broyles. Hell, there should be 700k observers doing nothing but following Broyles but instead we get...

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That's the one thing they nailed...Peter is super smart, so he used the tech better than most Observers could. Because most of the time, the Obs are so fricking dense and stupid that they completely fail to get things right (when they should never miss anything in practicality). And the Loyalist police are too inept to function most of the time. But I guess when you can't even figure out that looking down into an open WALL OF WINDOWS (where the Fringe team operated) every once in a while when you see the lights on, not much is expected from you.

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More time travel problems. My brain hurts trying to figure out what happens to Walter if the timeline is reset without observers.

You figure that one. Currently they are in the future from season 4. If there are no observers then Walter should be alive and kicking in the past when Olivia and Peter are at the park with Etta.

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Yes, IMO Walter should be alive and well if things are reset back to that day in the park. Unless I missed something completely easy, I don't know why he wouldn't be there. They actually do explain it though...nature hates a paradox, so she will correct it, meaning Walter and Michael will have to stay in the future, and thus Walter cannot exist in the past once the point in time comes that the invasion is supposed to take place (but doesn't).

Here is an excerpt from the finale writeup on Fringepedia:

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Walter isn't happy about a final adieu either, but he knows that Nature hates a paradox and will do what it can to heal itself. In order to establish a future without Observers, he and Michael will have to live out their lives in the future. Once the future has been re-channeled down a path away from the Observers, Nature will eradicate the paradox by deleting he and Michael at the moment the invasion would have happened in 2015.

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I'm not sure if that makes complete sense or not, and it makes my head hurt thinking about it, but I at least understand it. And I accept that time travel shite has lots of fundamental flaws, so I just roll with it.

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How exactly would nature remove them from the past? Would nature create their death, if so they never stopped the observers in the future. Just doesn't work on any level no matter how you try to convolute it.

At least when Peter disappeared, he caused his own disappearance using the machine. Here, it is just a force of nature removing them for no reason whatsoever.

Since the writers don't believe the paradox extends to the dudes in the future once they see Walter and Michael, couldn't September have stopped all of this just as easy by killing the dudes. Done and Done. Keep killing dudes until September no longer exists.

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Again, I don't completely disagree with you. I just buy what they're selling to not ruin things. Plus, it makes at least SOME sense, even if it sort of contradicts things they've gone with in the past.

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Gene makes an appearance. Walter telling Astrid her name is beautiful. Damn sawdust.

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Yeah, that was a sweet scene for Astrid. Their relationship is one of the strongpoints of the whole series IMO.

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Did like her last dose of Cortexiphan used to crush Windy. Or did Michael do that.

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I noticed jamsmiley wondered the same thing.

Could be both of them, although I think it was Liv going all Cortex beast mode.

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Great series. Noble is a beast. Season 5 was a misfire. I liked it on the first watch but it was full of flaws. Lots and lots and lots of flaws.

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Yeah, I agree. I actually told Freaux that in a Lost thread the other day...he said that Fringe was "Lost done right," and I can't agree with that, especially upon rewatch of the series. It was a really fun series, and I've thoroughly enjoyed this rewatch, but it definitely has tons of flaws. shite, I feel like it has more flaws than Lost, and the things that show dealt with were just outlandish at times.

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Farewell Olive!

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I'm so mad at you that that picture doesn't work.



All in all, as far as S5 goes, it definitely had ups and downs. And I feel like there were more ups than downs, but it was still sort of a letdown to an extent. That being said, it still finished up the series in a pretty solid way, and despite the gripes (even legit ones), I thought the finale was strong.

We'll have to pick another series to watch/rewatch now...I feel like this thread worked well. Special shoutout to all who made it possible, especially the tripod + jamsmiley.

And here's to this thread finally getting bumped with discussion...so it's not dead just yet. Hopefully we can revive it a bit and more people will join in with overall discussion of the series. Also, I've noticed several Fringe threads lately where people are starting the series, and other posters come out of the fricking woodwork commenting on things. Worry not though, I jump in and curse them out for not participating in here as often as possible.

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Help any?

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No.

As I said. My mind can't be changed here.

There is no remotely plausible way to think the original dudes who created the Observers wouldn't be polluted by the Observers coming back in time.

I just don't buy it.

Also, if September had no problem erasing the Observers, then it should have been simple for him to just kill the dudes. Of course, then we get no Fringe, but that sure seems a lot easier than the convoluted steps they took.

The final season is tremendously flawed. Even more so than most time travel plots.

And given that they did such a good job for most of the series trying to explain / create the outlandish science, they really dropped the ball in season 5.

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Because if they never exist then September never exists, which means Peter never gets saved in the lake and there is no happy day at the park because Olivia never knows Peter and Walter even exist.

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Shhhh....look away. Nothing to see here.

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but couldn't they just have jumped back in time like two minutes and heard every word? or warped into his car?

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Shhhh....look away. Nothing to see here.

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I hope you have a big trunk...cuz I'm gonna put my bike in it.

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They don't seem to be at all concerned that Broyles was caught and that their time is limited...he even told them that once he was caught he could only hold off so long before Windmark read his thoughts.

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Par for the course. They never rushed much in the final season no matter what was going on.

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I love it when they call back to past fringe events.

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That was fun

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They are really lucky it was only September who got shot since they were all just waltzing around in the middle of the road when automatic weapons were firing off everywhere.

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The fight choreography at the end was dismal. I railed on it the first time I watched the finale.

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I'm glad we did this, and special shoutout to the Fringe Tripod

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It was fun. Great job keeping the thread moving along. Wish we could have had a few more peeps in here but Fear would have stroked out in season 1 with all of the critical comments.

I came up with additional convoluted explanations for how none of this works so I deleted it because it gave me a headache.

If the observers are gone, almost none of Fringe happened. Peter is over with Walternate and once again Olive loses another child to Nature.