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Rand Paul Opposes New GOP-backed Voter ID Laws
Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:37 am
Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:37 am
The more I hear from this guy, the more I like him.
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Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky broke Friday with fellow Republicans who have pushed for stricter voting laws as a way to crack down on fraud at the polls, saying that the focus on such measures alienates and insults African-Americans and hurts the party.
“Everybody’s gone completely crazy on this voter ID thing,” Mr. Paul said in an interview. “I think it’s wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because it’s offending people.”
Mr. Paul becomes the most prominent member of his party — and among the very few — to distance himself from the voting restrictions and the campaign for their passage in states under Republican control, including North Carolina, Ohio and Wisconsin, that can determine presidential elections. Civil rights groups call the laws a transparent effort to depress black turnout. . . . . .
Mr. Paul is on a cross-country tour, stopping in Democratic strongholds like Chicago and Detroit where it might not seem obvious for a conservative Republican to seek out an audience.
After his meeting with the pastors in Memphis, Mr. Paul traveled a few blocks to address the Republican gathering, but he made no mention of voting rights. Instead, he hit on the message that the party needed to soften its edges and show more sympathy to populations that have felt overlooked and maligned by Republicans.
In the interview, Mr. Paul also stressed his commitment to restoring voting rights for felons, an issue that he said black crowds repeatedly brought up during his speeches.
“The bigger issue actually is whether you get to vote if you have a felony conviction,” he said. “There’s 180,000 people in Kentucky who can’t vote. And I don’t know the racial breakdown, but it’s probably more black than white because they’re convicted felons. And I’m for getting their right to vote back, which is a much bigger deal than showing your driver’s license.”
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Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:52 am to trackfan
Paul is building his AA bonafides in preparation for the Jack Hunter association and his association with his dad's views on the 1964 CRA and newsletters ATTACKS that will without a doubt ensue as we get closer to the primaries.
On the other hand this leaves a huge opening for attacks from the right from the likes of Ted Cruze, Rick Perry and yes even Jeb Bush.
Rand is going to attempt to walk a fine line here. I think what he is really saying here is we need to scale back the rhetoric on voter ID because the voting block I need in the general election is currently offended by the rhetoric. With that said he is for voter ID in the long run, but just needs to educate the electorate that voter ID is good for the integrity of the voting process. In other words, IMO Rand is calling for slower steps to eventual voter ID in order to deprogram a constituency that has become enflamed by the idea.
On the other hand this leaves a huge opening for attacks from the right from the likes of Ted Cruze, Rick Perry and yes even Jeb Bush.
Rand is going to attempt to walk a fine line here. I think what he is really saying here is we need to scale back the rhetoric on voter ID because the voting block I need in the general election is currently offended by the rhetoric. With that said he is for voter ID in the long run, but just needs to educate the electorate that voter ID is good for the integrity of the voting process. In other words, IMO Rand is calling for slower steps to eventual voter ID in order to deprogram a constituency that has become enflamed by the idea.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 8:59 am to trackfan
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it’s wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because it’s offending people
is he opposed to the rhetoric or the policy?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:03 am to GumboPot
Rand desperately wants the black vote. He doesn't realize that while a fraction of blacks do vote their conscience, most do as their democrat plantation owners tell them to.
Rand should stop playing the "identity politics" game, focus on what is best for the country and let the chips fall.
He's not going to do that and likely won't get the nomination because of it. He doesn't have the establishment or the Christian Right behind him, and now he's working on alienating the Tea Party types. Pretty soon, all he'll be left with hardcore Libertarians and some moderate Independents.
Guys like Trackfan will toot his horn until it comes time to pull the lever for Hillary in the general.
Ted Cruz is my guy. He's not afraid of "offending people" by doing what's right.
Rand should stop playing the "identity politics" game, focus on what is best for the country and let the chips fall.
He's not going to do that and likely won't get the nomination because of it. He doesn't have the establishment or the Christian Right behind him, and now he's working on alienating the Tea Party types. Pretty soon, all he'll be left with hardcore Libertarians and some moderate Independents.
Guys like Trackfan will toot his horn until it comes time to pull the lever for Hillary in the general.
Ted Cruz is my guy. He's not afraid of "offending people" by doing what's right.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:08 am to trackfan
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Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky broke Friday with fellow Republicans who have pushed for stricter voting laws as a way to crack down on fraud at the polls, saying that the focus on such measures alienates and insults African-Americans and hurts the party.
“Everybody’s gone completely crazy on this voter ID thing,” Mr. Paul said in an interview. “I think it’s wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because it’s offending people.”
Glad to know this. I definitely won't vote for him in the primaries. Clearly he's been indoctrinated with political correctness and doesn't see the common sense in having voter ID as a reasonable measure to prevent voter fraud.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:13 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Christian Right behind him, and now he's working on alienating the Tea Party types
haven't these two groups merged for the most part?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:14 am to davesdawgs
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Glad to know this. I definitely won't vote for him in the primaries. Clearly he's been indoctrinated with political correctness and doesn't see the common sense in having voter ID as a reasonable measure to prevent voter fraud.
I don't know if Paul can recover from these comments from such a common sense issue to increase the voting integrity process. He may have lost the "rule of law" types on the right and he needs them to further his electability.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:15 am to TrueTiger
It sounds like he is opposed to harping on it.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:17 am to trackfan
He's not against them. He's against the amount of attention placed on them.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:24 am to davesdawgs
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Clearly he's been indoctrinated with political correctness and doesn't see the common sense in having voter ID as a reasonable measure to prevent voter fraud.
I think what he is doing is attempting to change the conversation, which needs to happen. R's are for the law because it has the potential to reduce black vote, D's are against it for the same reason. Fraud is just rhetoric by the R's to fire up the redneck base.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:30 am to trackfan
I guess this is the type of pandering that is okay with Trackfan.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:31 am to trackfan
I'm still waiting to hear as to how this "clearly" suppresses black voting ?
Doesn't welfare, Section 8, etc. require identification. Doesn't driving require ID. Check cash service ask for one?
I mean, come on. Sometimes I think Rand is just blowing smoke up the AA community asses.
Like another poster questioned, does he question the policy or the rhetoric?
Doesn't welfare, Section 8, etc. require identification. Doesn't driving require ID. Check cash service ask for one?
I mean, come on. Sometimes I think Rand is just blowing smoke up the AA community asses.
Like another poster questioned, does he question the policy or the rhetoric?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:31 am to gatorrocks
With the administration attempting to override states' rights to clean up voter rolls and cut down on the possibility of fraud, how do you fight back without bringing attention to it?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:33 am to ForeLSU
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haven't these two groups merged for the most part?
No.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:35 am to gatorrocks
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He's not against them. He's against the amount of attention placed on them.
this
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:37 am to ForeLSU
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R's are for the law because it has the potential to reduce black vote
You and people who say that sound a little bit racist. I don't know anyone, black or white that doesn't have ID. As someone already mentioned, really poor people have IDs for getting benefits. So if it's not that blacks are poor, what is it? Are they just stupid?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:38 am to trackfan
Rand going wobbly on us?
Maybe his stratedgy will work and once he gets into office he can do an Obama reversal and use his pen to get back to the Constitution.
Maybe his stratedgy will work and once he gets into office he can do an Obama reversal and use his pen to get back to the Constitution.
This post was edited on 5/10/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:39 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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haven't these two groups merged for the most part?
No.
hmmm...from the tea party website
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The Tea Party includes those who possess a strong belief in the foundational Judeo-Christian values embedded in our great founding documents. We believe the responsibility of our beloved nation is etched upon the hearts of true American Patriots from every race, religion, national origin, and walk of life sharing a common belief in the values which made and keep our beloved nation great. This belief led to the creation of the modern-day Tea Party.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:45 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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I don't know anyone, black or white that doesn't have ID. As someone already mentioned, really poor people have IDs for getting benefits. So if it's not that blacks are poor, what is it? Are they just stupid?
I don't know, why do you and others on the right get so fired up about the issue? Why do those who oppose the laws get so fired up about them? Leads me to believe that the issue really boils down to voter turnout and the fight is about gaining/keeping advantage. Hence Rand's position that the rhetoric needs to be toned down.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:51 am to ForeLSU
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I don't know, why do you and others on the right get so fired up about the issue? Why do those who oppose the laws get so fired up about them? Leads me to believe that the issue really boils down to voter turnout and the fight is about gaining/keeping advantage. Hence Rand's position that the rhetoric needs to be toned down.
Why the frick can ANYONE vote without an ID? I NEVER have in Florida. Ever! Neither has anyone I know.
Think about this: People who are worried about "oppressing" the vote are worried because "poor" people cannot afford an ID.
Guess what you need to apply for welfare?
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