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re: Rand Paul Opposes New GOP-backed Voter ID Laws
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:52 am to trackfan
Posted on 5/10/14 at 9:52 am to trackfan
Can someone give me a summary of his reasoning? I've read it multiple times and am confused 
I see:
Voter ID's left up to states
Felons allowed to vote
Disenfranchises Blacks
Repubs look bad
etc...
I see:
Voter ID's left up to states
Felons allowed to vote
Disenfranchises Blacks
Repubs look bad
etc...
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Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:01 am to gatorrocks
Welcome back, trackfan. I haven't seen you on here in a couple of weeks or so.
Remember that discussion we were having, where I asked you to acknowledge and condemn the inordinate amout of terrorism carried out in the name of Islam? Remember when you refused to do so, because you said you would only respond to specific acts of violence?
Well, the strangest thing happened. I immediately posted a response, listing approximately two dozen SPECIFIC acts of radical Islamic terrorism. But, you know what? Even though we had been having that discussion for quite awhile, for some reason you disappeared after I listed all of those SPECIFIC acts of terrorism. In fact, I hadn't seen you on here again until today.
But anyway, welcome back.
Remember that discussion we were having, where I asked you to acknowledge and condemn the inordinate amout of terrorism carried out in the name of Islam? Remember when you refused to do so, because you said you would only respond to specific acts of violence?
Well, the strangest thing happened. I immediately posted a response, listing approximately two dozen SPECIFIC acts of radical Islamic terrorism. But, you know what? Even though we had been having that discussion for quite awhile, for some reason you disappeared after I listed all of those SPECIFIC acts of terrorism. In fact, I hadn't seen you on here again until today.
But anyway, welcome back.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:10 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:
He doesn't realize that while a fraction of blacks do vote their conscience, most do as their democrat plantation owners tell them to.
No wonder why Rand wants to distance himeself from racists fricks like this
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:11 am to MJM
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:13 am to trackfan
quote:
it’s wrong for Republicans to go too crazy on this issue because it’s offending people.”
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:16 am to boosiebadazz
97% of blacks still support Obama but we are supposed to pretend that they aren't a politically monolithic group?
some of you dudes are so deeply in denial.....
some of you dudes are so deeply in denial.....
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:17 am to LSURussian
Rand is making the same mistake that many other republicans have made before him. He's trying to take a position that will make Democrats like him. McCain tried the same thing. A lot of good it did him.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:26 am to KCT
You can't see why blacks would be offended when you say they "only vote as their Democratic plantation owners" tell them to?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:28 am to Zach
I don't care for anybody who places winning an election, by any means, as being more important than adhering to a deeply-held set of core beliefs and values.
Al Gore was the worst example of this that I ever saw. The man would've sold his soul to the devil in order to have become President.
I'm starting to worry that Rand is heading down the same road. I mean, to act like requiring that a person present a valid ID is discriminatory is simply bullshite. The Dems don't want voter ID for one very simple reason. It allows them to perpetrate voter fraud.
But anyway, Rand, good luck winning over the 97% of blacks who still support Obama. They aren't going to vote for you, but hey, maybe while they're sitting around the dinner table they'll mention you and say, "He's one of the good ones."
Al Gore was the worst example of this that I ever saw. The man would've sold his soul to the devil in order to have become President.
I'm starting to worry that Rand is heading down the same road. I mean, to act like requiring that a person present a valid ID is discriminatory is simply bullshite. The Dems don't want voter ID for one very simple reason. It allows them to perpetrate voter fraud.
But anyway, Rand, good luck winning over the 97% of blacks who still support Obama. They aren't going to vote for you, but hey, maybe while they're sitting around the dinner table they'll mention you and say, "He's one of the good ones."
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:30 am to boosiebadazz
quote:
You can't see why blacks would be offended
I can see why.
Truth being hurtful and all that.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:32 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:
Ted Cruz is my guy. He's not afraid of "offending people" by doing what's right.
Unfortunately Ted won't be the nominee, but he appears to me IMHO to be the most qualified person for the job.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:38 am to TrueTiger
And this conversation is but a small battle in the civil war the Republican Party is currently experiencing.
This post was edited on 5/10/14 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/10/14 at 10:39 am to TrueTiger
quote:
is he opposed to the rhetoric or the policy?
Important question. Might be the first major policy stance I don't like from him.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 11:24 am to trackfan
Damn, no one listens to the facts I tell.
I said a month ago that Rand Paul is triangulation, just like Bill Clinton did. Look up triangulation / Bill Clinton.
He is taking up issues at all 3 points so as to appeal to all the people, he knows what he is doing. He hopes if he runs against a liberal ( if he wins the Republican primary ) that the young kids and blacks will 1. See him as a serious alternativs I.e. NSA, I.D. voting, et. etc., or that even if he can't get somes vote he might can tamp down those who would get out to vote against him.
If they see Paul as a viable option vs a liberal they might not be as enthusiastic to get out and vote, especially after the way Obama, their Messiah, has failed them across the board.
BRILLIANT STRATEGY.
I said a month ago that Rand Paul is triangulation, just like Bill Clinton did. Look up triangulation / Bill Clinton.
He is taking up issues at all 3 points so as to appeal to all the people, he knows what he is doing. He hopes if he runs against a liberal ( if he wins the Republican primary ) that the young kids and blacks will 1. See him as a serious alternativs I.e. NSA, I.D. voting, et. etc., or that even if he can't get somes vote he might can tamp down those who would get out to vote against him.
If they see Paul as a viable option vs a liberal they might not be as enthusiastic to get out and vote, especially after the way Obama, their Messiah, has failed them across the board.
BRILLIANT STRATEGY.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 11:27 am to S.E.C. Crazy
I'm gonna be interested to see how engaged Obama is for the next Democratic nominee. I still think he has a pied piper effect on a certain segment of the electorate and I'll be curious to see if he really engages in that role for the next Democratic candidate.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 11:36 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:
Rand desperately wants the black vote. He doesn't realize that while a fraction of blacks do vote their conscience, most do as their democrat plantation owners tell them to. Rand should stop playing the "identity politics" game, focus on what is best for the country and let the chips fall. He's not going to do that and likely won't get the nomination because of it. He doesn't have the establishment or the Christian Right behind him, and now he's working on alienating the Tea Party types. Pretty soon, all he'll be left with hardcore Libertarians and some moderate Independents. Guys like Trackfan will toot his horn until it comes time to pull the lever for Hillary in the general. Ted Cruz is my guy. He's not afraid of "offending people" by doing what's right.
I totally agree with you.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 11:41 am to S.E.C. Crazy
Triangulation is not so much a campaign strategy as a governing strategy.
It works like this..
Pick a cause that satisfies voters "X". It infuriates voters "Y" because it will destroy the economy.
But you realize that your cause will be voted down in Congress because it will destroy the economy.
Result: The economy is good. You take credit.
You can tell voters "X" ..."Hey, I tried but those 'Y' people shot t down.
In other words, you propose things that have no chance of becoming policy and you don't want them to become policy. You just want to make political hay.
Different in Rand's case. He's not in power. He's running for office. He will lose more conservative support than he will gain in black support.
Rather than triangulation, I would describe the move as 'innoculation'. He needs a laundry list of responses in the presidential debates when Hillary asks "Why are you such a racist bastard?"
It works like this..
Pick a cause that satisfies voters "X". It infuriates voters "Y" because it will destroy the economy.
But you realize that your cause will be voted down in Congress because it will destroy the economy.
Result: The economy is good. You take credit.
You can tell voters "X" ..."Hey, I tried but those 'Y' people shot t down.
In other words, you propose things that have no chance of becoming policy and you don't want them to become policy. You just want to make political hay.
Different in Rand's case. He's not in power. He's running for office. He will lose more conservative support than he will gain in black support.
Rather than triangulation, I would describe the move as 'innoculation'. He needs a laundry list of responses in the presidential debates when Hillary asks "Why are you such a racist bastard?"
Posted on 5/10/14 at 11:49 am to Zach
quote:
Rather than triangulation, I would describe the move as 'innoculation'. He needs a laundry list of responses in the presidential debates when Hillary asks "Why are you such a racist bastard?"
Also, if Rand gets into office he can feel free to "evolve" to satisfy his base like Obama and the gays.
Posted on 5/10/14 at 12:52 pm to son of arlo
Is there any mention of voter ID laws in the constitution?
If not, is the constitution an outdated document?
Is Rand a strict constitutionalist?
If not, is the constitution an outdated document?
Is Rand a strict constitutionalist?
Posted on 5/10/14 at 12:59 pm to Zach
Dick Morris invented triangulation, and it was used in their 1092 election. It is a be all things to all people strategy, Bill Clinton wasn't trying to triangulate after he was president, remember Hillary Care? , but after the disaster of the 94 elections Bill went back to governing the way Morris told him he should to get reelected.
Although it is brilliant strategy, it lacks convictions
Although it is brilliant strategy, it lacks convictions
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